V: Good Day to you. It is our pleasure to be meeting with you again in this fashion.

Q: Likewise.

V: We are enthused to learn what it is that you would choose to learn. With you through you as you, at this moment in what is not time, but the eternal now. [04:07 04:07]

Q01: So just the other day I was feeling curiosity or need to reach outside myself for thoughts and guidance around things that still nagging me, and aliven me, and some of which we talked about last time and I relistened to that earlier and it strikes me that there is still so much more work. ah ha ha on my end just based on that talk to do. But maybe there is more specificity today. And yeah, so I will just get into it. One thing that has been really pulling me back for, a thought process in my mind this is more ordinary mundane stuff I suppose. But whether to stay in this city I am in now, or go back to mexico city where I am living until a few months ago. Relates to the chat we had about the sense of home, and homelessness in some sense, but this is more ordinary, I mean I get the sense homefulness which you bought through quite clear, still is resonating, but this is more about sort of like, where is it for me to to get onto the things that are relevant now. ha ha Where should I get on with my life in the sort of relative now. I know I am going to be moving about and going back to the united states for a bit, in the coming months briefly, but I am feeling a little bit where should I be right now. And it feels like it's holding me back a little bit.

V: [06:38 06:38] The entire answer to this question, lies in your definition of the word should. And so we ask you if you have a clear definition of what this conditional tense means to you. Should for What ?

Q02: Yeah that is really good. I think what should means for me now is maybe not so much like a if there is some essential right or wrong, like as if there is some essential right or wrong that knows it how many days... but ah, more like where am I going to be better suited to do the things I need and want to do, to heal, to write to teach and to get my sort of practice healing business practice off the ground. But that's sort of what it means to me right now

V: [08:03 08:03] Yes and we will remind you that you are always exactly where you are which means that that is exactly where you should be, regarding location and this query it is not so much related to what is going to be or not be beneficial to the changes that you want to have in your life because they are not based or constrained by location. What it is instead, related to perhaps is where is your excitement, where it your inner being calling you to be at this point in time, because that in theory is the guidance towards where you should be if should were a word that was used in this topic. In terms of location, so the question is not, where should I be, the question is where am I excited to be.

Because it is where you are excited to be that will be the place that should have been the should. So ask yourself:

Where are you excited to be ? [09:19 09:19]

Q03: You know on some level, for bringing this up with you, I know that is not, it is my ... it is my [ ?????? 09:27 09:27 ] . It's just a little complicated because that's where I go sick last year. And I am actually quite afraid of getting covid again. And also the place I have been living for the last 4-5 months, my symptoms have been gone away, there is a way in which the air is cleaner here, there is some sort of external factors beyond my desire, and excitement that seems for my body, you know I got a nicer apartment, more space, there is more bright light comes in, better air, so I am sorry I didn't weave that in before, but there is this reality still of navigating these symptoms and the place that I am excited about is wonderful and dynamic but it is still very much plagued by this disease and it's a huge city with a lot of pollution. Anyway that is what my brain goes back and forth between.

V: [10:51 10:51] Our advice then to you would be to allow your brain to go back and forth because the decision has not yet been arriven at by your inner being. And therefore is it unnecessary to listen to any of the dialogue that your brain is proposing to you.
Because when you do know you will know and then you will take action upon that knowing. There is confusion often that that one must come to decision, but decision comes to one. There is no harm in being where you are until you decide to be somewhere else. And it is a belief that you are being held beck or prevented in your future business or your future healing that is doing the prevention of that business or healing, that is doing the prevention of that business or healing, not the location you will find yourself within. Because whether or not you are in a location where clients are available to you or whatever it is that your brain has been telling you that there is benefit of in mexico city. There is always the preparation work. That can be done now, or the learning or the advancing on yourself, you have also said that you are in a period of physical healing.
You may see that as valuable, in the same way that you see your spiritual growth, or your relational, or your internal healing journey, because your physical body is a part of all of these things therefore you are progressing and you are evolving exactly where you are. [12:39 12:39]

Q04: Thank you. This said way is to give the other more specific, you just name them but more specific is there alive in me, but... well one thing, but I don't know if this is possible, but when I got sick, I wasn't really, I wasn't able to get a covid test over until later so I never got a positive test and the doctors diagnosed me with covid and they stopped more deductive things, months later that were going on in my heart they saw going on in my lungs. Though nothing revealed sort of permanent damage there was sort of strange things for an otherwise young person to have going on, but I didn't not that I mean, I have a sense that you would say in identifying the disease is probably not the best way to heal it, so it's not like I need the identity, I need a sort of similar walk playing in my mind because of a positive test or affirmation to acknowledge I was sick but there has been this sort of I was one of these people diagnosed with covid without a test to know whether or not I actually had it. So part of me wants to know if you know if I actually had it. That's the first part of the question. I'll pause there.

V: [14:03 14:03] We will underline in this that one cannot actually have a virus, a virus is a being or entity or colony, that uses others as a host for a period. What the human body actually has is a reaction to that stimulus. You body has had reaction to stimulus, The stimulus can be virus, can be time, can be pollution, can be any number or myriad of catalysts, in your case the physical manifestation of the catalyst that you were exposed to has triggered a dormant predisposition towards this form or reaction, but perhaps it would be more accurate to say that you have at this point in time a immune response that is not serving you. But the original catalyst for this is gone. The way to heal an immune response especially one that is attacking the own body, is yes through immaculate care for the body. Whether that be diet or rest or exercise or your regular allopathic treatments, alternative treatments, whatever works. So we do not say neglect the body as the physical form, but the work that is required to allieve the autoimmune response, is teaching oneself to love oneself because in a being who does not have the predisposition towards attacking itself, it will have had different reactions to the same stimulus that you had contact with. This is why there will be beings who have this. We are reluctant to call the virus because that is not the entirety of the story but for convenience sake we will call 'virus' and will have absolutely no symptoms and no what you have called 'longterm covid' The catalyst is serving you by providing you with this ability to see in yourself through a physical manifestation what is required. And much of that is self love and with acceptance and the refusal to fall into fear based thinking, or catastrophic type of thinking or even yes, diagnosis then you are then able to deal with each of the situations or symptoms one by one. And allow yourself to feel both the physical pain and the anxiety and the fear but in full acceptance of them. It is probable that you were exposed to some sort of virus or trigger or situation but it could have just as easily been influenza, smallpox, because it was as if your body waiting for the excuse to react in the way that is now reacting, in service to your soul, this is the growth path that you are you being called onto at this point in time. Or have been called onto and are now journeying along, a specific diagnosis in this case, with relation to the situations currently in the world will actually relent or slow down your ability to take care of yourself. Because if you resign yourself to the fact that you have what is called this 'longterm covid' and it is incurable and there are all these complications, you will have those beliefs within you and look externally to experts to solve these problems for you. When in fact at this moment in time, there is no expert. You are your highest advocate and the only expert about your body. So yes we say lean upon whatever forms of treatment that feel good to you, if it feels good to you to take medication that is prescribed by a traditional western doctor then absolutely that is necessary for you to follow that path if however if feels good to you to rub crystals on your body and that is what makes you feel better by all means that is also healing you. The important factor is Yes to have an awareness of what is occurring. So we do not suggest denial, but to also be very attuned and very aware to the communication that your body, which is your deepest ally in providing for you. [21:21 21:21]

Q: On that note, just to create more specificity, I mean this is wonderful, thank you thank you. Yeah, I do qualify and it resonates what you shared.

V: Thank you.

Q: What I want to do is leave with a bit of specificity, because I think you know, I am feeling at times to say, my week of specificity that I am about to lean in that there is a learning here.

V: yes.

Q05: Last time I brought up this, whether it's accurate or not of feeling like I was receiving practices from either my intuition or other places, for lack of better language. One of the personals of lets say of that sort of exploration and learning experience which I probably described very clearly and accurately, but feeling like I am leaving my body. Two of the , and there are a lot of symptoms here, I'm not going to entire on symptoms but these two strike me as the most gnawing and curious from my own, one is not the incredible difficulty sleeping, I feel I have immense depletion lets say in the throat area, throat chakra, even when otherwise medicated not so much physically going on. I haven't had that examined in a long time, and this sort of leaving the body phenomena, which I don't know how to qualify very well but it's, the reason I am bring it up is because it's something that has brought me to an edge of my ability to tolerate or work with because, in the sense like it does bring me to a place almost, it can bring me to a place of almost complete disassociation and that give me sort of lack of gravity, ground and balance, and I've been on the edge of this actually, for the last 3 or 4 days, and as I am speaking to you now, i am, it's not happening, but I am on the, I can feel the edge of it. Which could be a result of not enough rest, I am not a good sleeper. Ah, Anyway, I am telling you all this because I am a) wanting advice but I am wondering if there are, I hear you loud and clear about self love as a protective measure that is not something I am not particularly versed in. But in terms of these two things, whether its practice or counsel or anything you might share,because they do feel a big part of my learning as a practitioner, as well as someone who can help others some day.

V: [24:37 24:37] Yes. The universe that you live in is benevolent even in it's seeming negative or unacceptable qualities. And you are in these magnificent bodies, that are in a constant state of slow evolution and growth from the moment that you enter into them. Until the moment that you leave, or rather, from the moment that you create them until the moment that you decide that they are no useful for your creation. And ever aspect of the universe is part of that creation, including the illnesses or the catalyst that you bring to yourself, or that seem to arrive to you. And the phenomena that you are describing had they arrived without the excuse of perhaps being unwell, you would have maybe not associated a negative connotation to them. But they would have been even further inexplicable. So this sensation, or experience, or ability to leave your body,
or extend yourself past the physical form, may not actually be something that is happening to you, and instead maybe a new skill that has come online that you have not learned yet how to manage.

Or experience in a way that seems controlled in the same way when a baby comes from crawling to walking, they perhaps do not know that they fall and they will hurt themselves.
A baby has the advantage however that when they fall and they hurt themselves they get back up because they do not have ideas about what falling and hurting themselves mean and that they need to protect themselves from that action. They just know that they have this new desire or new sensation to wanting to walk, You have stated that you do have a desire and a calling towards healing toward esoteric arts, and we invite you to take this sensation the one of being detached or being moved outside of your human form, and in your mind, to imagine a light switch and to associate this sensation with that light switch. And know that is it is only you who can turn it on or off. Because it is you who reaches your arm out, to grab a glass of water, even if yes at times it happens instinctually, it is you who has the impulse to grab that water to drink when you have thirst. This new ability is as part of you and native too you as reaching out for a glass of water. It's just that you have not done it any, you have not done it yet in a controlled fashion, and you have not experimented with being able to turn it off at will. So you are like the baby who scared itself in it's crib. When it's arms are moving and these babies get wrapped in a blanket so that they can sleep, eventually they obtain control of their arms and they reach for their toys this is the same sort of situation it has come online yes, due to you having been in a physical position to be able to tap into it, but it has always been there and you are safe to experiment with it because you know yourself to be non physical than you are physical anyway. With regards to the voice, we sense that there is a clearing that can be done for you, or you can do. Yes on the chakra of your voice, But we believe you already know that you are not using your voice to it's fullest. And it requires yes, work that you can do with a healer or you can do on your own. But what is truly being asked of you is to step into that voice that is wanting to come through you. With bravery, and letting go of the insecurity or unworthiness that allows you to believe that what you say is not valid. Again your body is manifesting this physically for you, to highlight it to you, because it is time, and you are capable. [31:52 31:52]

Q: Thank you.
V: Thank you.

Q06: I don't know if this is appropriate, but in my meaning to just sense within my toolkit, if I have something that I can do to help clear this, or if there is something you would recommend to do to clear this, ironically its like a double edged sword, where like I'm hesitant to use my voice and speak to share the things that are arising whether it's teaching or whatever, because I am worrying about taxing it, but I am hearing that my lack of doing so is keeping that voice in this state of depletion or whatever.

V: Yes. What are you afraid of ?
We know that you have heard of the scientist Stephen Hawking who had no voice at all. And yet did not have a blockage because the voice that was used was a true voice. So the fear of taxing the vocal chords or hurting yourself while speaking your truth, it actually a fear a safety mechanism for you to try to get out of what you know is meant to come through you. And yes we would say that you do have all the skills declared on your own and that leaning upon someone external would be the slower route for you. Because you will see that as you begin to speak you will be able to speak. But only if you are speaking the truth that was meant to come through you. Any delay or anything else, you will continue to have the sensation that there is an incorrectness in your transmission of what is coming through because it is energetic. It is as if your body and your energetic body are saying speak of the truth or nothing else. [35:09 35:09]

Q07: So I guess in response to that, this is a response to these two, that have to constantly clear. These two and that's not even the breaking and the [??35:27 35:27] But there is the underlying breathing and the pulse but I don't have enough air even at times during my prayers, and that my chanting and my meditation practices, I don't have enough voice and air to complete, you know the medicine, sounding the medicine. It's very disconcerting. But I will just sort of weave that all back in, I just want to make sure I am really clear because the leaving the body situation also feels a lot like when Ayurveda they call it, a a loom ? 36:11 36: 11] disorder or a in tibet medicine they call it a really bad loom disorder. It comes with panic, it comes with... so I am not challenging you I am sort of folding back to the physiological, biological reality of this and I don't want to get too far from you to, I mean I want to get very far form this esoteric, spiritual dimension with name but I also don't want to negate the maybe I have been experimenting before with exiting, well not exiting but detaching, there is this also underlying reality of not being really grounded.

V: Yes.

Q: Which so maybe you know.

V: [37:06 37:06] We agree and we will clarify. The experimentation that we suggested was not the experimentation to spend more time leaving, it was the experimentation too without fear to be able to control this ability. To be able to turn off the switch as well as on, and having that switch and knowing that at any point you can turn it off, as are any of your senses. You may tune out your hearing, you may tune out your vision. As you are able to do that you will realize that it has far less importance than can be given to it, and with less importance. there will be less fear. And will less fear there is less need to resist and with less need to resist there is the ability to know or discern when it is appropriate or when it is not. So we would agree that there is at this point an imbalance because you do not have control. So it is not to eliminate the (quote/unquote) 'problem' it is to learn to control the situation.

Thank you for voicing your understanding,

Q: Thank you for clarifying. I mean it's I been in situations consistently in the last I would say decade where people tell me i have these, not just any people I trust, but just anybody that I know, have this ability to have a different relationship with reality. That begin that more ok, less material or something, but the funny thing is that I don't ever perceive these things that way, like I don't see things, at least I don't think I see things. At least I don't think I see things. I don't hear things, I don't at least with the level of clarity that by which Jessica channels you or something. You know, I don't, I could never. I don't know if that has something to do with trust, but I think that's also part of this what you have named is that I you know.

V: [39:25 39:25] Yes it very much has to do with trust, and you did not know Jessica two years ago. She would have said exactly the same thing that you are saying now.
What you have described about leaving the body is a element of what would be known as clairsentient. And it is closely related to the physical sensations of touch, whereas, the root with which we are communicating with Jessica would be called clairaudient or somewhat similar.

Q: It's interesting you name this this way, because I had an experience at the end of a meditation retreat about a month and a half ago almost, two months ago where I had this physical sense of what I thought was a past life, of to that and I thought in other moments of my life I had seen this person when I was meditation and just naturally I just you know, this isn't just a manifestation of my own imagination, this must be a past life or something because it had an emotion, there was a resonance, an emotional sort of even egoic resonance, like I sort of like the idea of being that crazy, to that you know. And recently with one of my energy healers, she told me you were this person of being is someone is looking to work through you. It's not a past life they want a for you and they caution you because of the physical reality of such a thing. Then I did a bunch of work with another one of my mentors. He was a brilliant native shamanic healer, we did for lack of better language because I don't really understand it, but a little partwhere this person who actually in my imagination were receiving parts, where receiving has a name. Trauma bonding. Wherever we were bonded we are. It's like it, whatever, if that had a tramatic sort of note or bonding. We did the work about teasing that, so he would tease that and just know that this is something I can safely interact with, a source of guidance and you know at some level I am going through the motions of these people with my own experience but like, I have no clue, I don't have any idea. Do I delete this... do I really have this tibet entity that I can check in with. You know I am just sharing this but I didn't expect to talk about this, but here it is. And I don't think it's irrelevant to you know, needing support you know I am going through something. I am aiming at to get your counsel or advice or about how to work with it and also like to be be very crass but [42:44 ??? ] Is this actually happening ?

V: [42:46 42:46] Yes we are hearing that you had a lot of input about this, and that you are still in a phase of deciding what feels real or good to you. This is a wise position to take, because we do not ever counsel to take any counsel as gospel - including our own. You must find your own truth within yourself, you are in a position where you may very powerfully create your own truth. Therefore, what you choose in each moment, is the reality. Including this particular topic. Therefore your main endeavor is to choose wisely and something that serves you, we heard you say the term 'trauma bonding' or having had a traumatic bonding experience we would say that it is possible that these types of ideas do not serve you because you are not damaged or negatively influenceable by anything external to you, unless you allow it. So we do see that you have guidance, as all of you do. And if it is more beneficial to you to get to know this guidance on a personal level, then we see that you have the ability to do so. Whereas perhaps not everyone does. And as we always suggest to someone in this similar position, you may, with your intention begin to ask questions. externally, internally, but of yourself, in yourself and if there is is guide available to you there would be more than pleased to respond to you directly. You may form a relationship. You will be surprised at the nature of relationships with nonphysical.
And this too is a journey, an experimentation which is outside of perhaps your mainstream material experience but you are safe to explore it. [46:08 46:08]

Q08: There is so much here I want to continue to go in and that's for today. There are a couple of things that I really did want to bring up. But I think I am sheepish about, as we are coming to the end.

V: [46:36 46:36] Yes.

Q: One is I can only say by some chance of karma, a really a lot of plausible circumstances, on some level a really wonderful human being has showed up in the same little city I am living in in Mexico and share a similar to that [??? 47:03 47:03] this person has just come out of 5 years of solitary meditation in northern california, and before them coming I could sense there was a lot of karma, whether it was romantic or not, with a roommate as she came and it did become romantic I am quite now two months later almost still very uncertian, I am sure about wanting it to be of that nature, and the reason I am bringing this up here is because of the connection. This may just be a story I am telling myself out loud between two disciples of a similar teacher and a particular kind of lineage or practice and it's like. You know I really don't want to harm or hurt or so at the same time its really hard for me to be and know and me to say, like whether or not I want that kind of connection, I dunno, I am uncertian about everything as you know, where I am living, state of my body and all of it, so it sort of feels too much to engage in sort of more serious relationship period, but at the same time I sort of get to be honest in my, I am actually really attracted to this person. In a more mundane way of being attracted or am I just more magnetized by the fact we love and share the same love of this very specific thing that is quite unique, the lineage, the lineage. That you know if not very well known, so I am asking and sharing all this, to see whatever you have to say, but I am asking like you know how do I engage this, how do I speak to this person endow this in a way that's appropriate. And I name this in a context with you, because I know I can talk to a therapist or whatever, because it has a sort of, the ripples of it feel better, this isn't just some ordinary, not that anyone is ordinary, but this isn't just some random person I met, or had an attraction, this is someone who has been through a really profound journey and I am sort of perceiving them on some level. Anyway.

V: [49:29 49:29] Yes. There is a lot of mental information there that is concealing fear, but we will talk upon some of the questions that were in there. The way that you engage in the relationship is in the way that you in theory could or should or may or would be advised to engage in any and all relationships which is see the other as the self. And interact with them from that space of love. So if you are honest with yourself and know that this person has expectations of you that are different than those that you would be willing or happy to oblige at this point in time then the only compassionate action is to speak with them directly, honestly and in a way with which you would like to be spoken to. They are you, this manifestation is not outside of you this person has arrived as part of your soul journey to aid you along your soul path. You have a soul contract with this being. It doesn't not mean that it needs to be romantic, it does not mean that it needs to be significant. It just is. And you do get to choose to co-create an experience together which will or will not be lovely, or will or will not be painful, or will or will not be transformative. The fact that it seems to be bigger than any of the other relationships that you have had or more important is not true, they are all equally significant. You in this storyline that you are creating, the, not the storyline in your heads perhaps, but the scripts that you are currently reading off of, and she is currently reading off of, there is this significance because it is important to the story. It is important to believe that there is significance to continue the storyline along the lines that you are both wanting to continue it on. But that does not mean that there are larger consequences, because you are always all bumping into each other, you cannot know your impact on the air hostess that you have travelled with when you first went to Mexico. You do not know what chance words on the playground to your classmate at 7 years old changed within their life. Those relationships are equally significant but in this context there is emotion, there is potence there is power, there is beauty, there is the sensation that you are having that you are connecting with someone who understands you, or who is upon the same path. You may be more karmically linked in fact, you have come to each other at this point in time in this particular moment of your learning for certain specific reasons, but ultimately the choice is yours whether you want to interact on a romantic or platonic level and what you would like to do with it, remember that your choice is always only in the moment. And that is best not to make promises that you cannot keep because all that that means is you will have to undo them, it does not mean that they are needing to be honored, but for your integrity perhaps and if you do enjoy this person and they do raise your vibration and they are content to enjoy you while then why not enjoy your life for as long as you have that particular configuration. It is not all the time. You may relax into your relationships. For everything that you are trying to protect yourselves from is not love. It only seems that you are trying to protect yourself from love. [54:34 54:34]

If you have one further question ?

Q09: It was about last time we spoke a good deal about a free lance job, that I had been negotiating for several years, but really not though I have sort of cut myself off from them in certain ways or not particularly communicating and I didn't say enough, I need more room, a while back, I still haven't written an email saying that I am gone for a while to try to do my own thing, And so I wanted perhaps counsel around that I don't know why it feels significant, its not particularly, it's not like making a great deal of money from that. The thing that is more significant, because I have enough finances to sort of survive until the end of the summer. And in the meantime which is not so much a tough time. To say I need clients, feels so strange but if I want to be independent, speaking the truth I hear you encouraging me to speak and sharing the sharing's that come from a place of healing and counsel I think that's part of my full unfolding and healing it's sort of a double edge thing. I sort of need to heal to speak that way and to get the sort of resources and money I need to live my life, like I need many more clients. So I am actually directly asking for the way.

V:[56:41 56:41] When we speak with those who have come to this point in this journey, such as yourself we know that what we are about to say next is not welcome and you do not receive it well. Because it is basically telling someone to do the one thing that they cannot do and our response to that query is faith. Faith that once you have faith and once you speak your truth, the universe will provide, and faith that if the universe does not provide that that journey is what is next for you. To learn what you are more wanting to learn than have clients. It is unfortunate that your system is set up in such a way that you believe that your worth is based upon how much you can earn, and you are not able to eat if not earning your way, or paying your keep. Or at least it seems that way. Because this puts most of you in position of having little faith, however every day since the moment you were born, even when you could not provide for yourself, even when you were an infant, Somehow the universe managed to feed you. Somehow you got to the next day. Your childhood, and even then you did not earn your keep and there was food and yes you had your parents who loved you but the universe loves you as well. Your parents are simply players or were, or your caretakers, and the faith that a child has that there will be food at the next table, at least in the more fortunate parts of your planet, is what allows it to arrive. You have the ability t have clients, you are perhaps not yet receiving the inspiration necessary to arrive to them easily, but again it is faith that will bring that inspiration to you
and will allow you to make choices that will be more fruitful.

Faith does not mean sitting on your hands and doing nothing. It means listening very carefully to the impulse of the universe coming through you and telling you what to do. It means talking to those advisors inside of you and asking them, what is next. What's today. What's the most exciting thing that I can think of because that is what will lead you to the path that is yours. As we said we know that this is an unsatisfactory response because it would be much easier if we said to simply take out an advertisement on the internet and that would bring you your clients, but it is not the case. This is an energetic game that you are playing, the higher you vibrate the faster the game becomes and the faster it takes you to the path that you want to be on. The path that you want to be on may not necessarily be the one where you have financial abundance in the situation that you are in at this moment of time. But it will be the one in which you will learn what you want to be learning. [1:00:35 1:00:35]

It has been our complete pleasure to discourse with you this day. We send you off with the light and the love of a thousand suns. Anainai