V: Good Day to you. We are pleased to be meeting with you again at this time.

Q: Hello, good to meet you again as well. Thank you for taking time. You know for the session. I guess my first question

Q01: Is I just read the Law of One so I am very curious, my guidance, higher, Atlas, equivalent to your Jessicka's higher self. What density are they from ?

V: [04:43 04:43] Well the discussion of densities, at the time of the writing of the material or the transmission of the material that you speak of, was relevant to the participants and those who are currently or have within time been studying that material. There has been, some distortion from the purity of the transmission and a hierarchy or a comparison has been placed upon association with densities, as if a density would be in your qualitative or quantitative scales better than another density.

This was not the intention originally, the intention originally was to explain and outline a mechanism or a trajectory of expansion that is natural within creation or the particular version of creation that you are choosing at this time therefore a focus that has been placed upon deciphering densities, is less beneficial than the feeling into the lessons that are being asked to be taught at this time. In the case of the being or entity or group that you are referring to, there is a very high level or wisdom however without the lack of love, therefore is you are determined to place the entity within a density you would look to one that incorporates both love and wisdom with perhaps a leaning towards wisdom.

[07:30 07:30]

Q: Understood thank you. and ah

Q02: With the group, I guess Atlas, have they ever come down to earth so to speak. have they ever lived among the peoples here ?

V: [07:48 07:48] Because of the nature of the group your refer to the answer is yes and no. No being not the No that you are customary to be a exclusion of Yes, we will explain further. The group your refer to, is a connection or a over container of many that have Yes been here on what you would call your planet. In what you would call your past.

And simultaneously have never tread foot upon the planet, for now in their now, or in this now in which you communicate with them, that experience is no longer relevant, so you have the fortune of having access to a group that has recall of experience that may be a kin to carnate, but would be wisdom and distance or that which can oversee beyond the carnate experience. The group that you refer to and that you are in contact with put us in a position of repetitively giving you mixed answers for they are a mixed group, there is no concrete answer for this group for they are encompassing of so much.

We apologize for this inability to be concrete, and we ask for you to see if your need for answers about concrete matters is blocking you from having more direct contact with them.

Q: Ok, Can you expand on that last point further ? In what way would my ? ok go ahead..

V: [10:19 10:19] When one holds any form of expectation of any thing, person being, entity, experience, one is automatically excluding the possibilities of what one is not expecting, either subtly or grossly, therefore it it possible that your expectations do find answers that are similar to ones that you have found in the past when regarding other sources, is blocking you from the receiving of the information or the reality of the group that you are referring to, because you expect that the answers will be similar to something that you have already seen heard, felt, known, through an external experience.
If your group does not fit into any of the categories that you have previously heard of and you are looking for them to fit into that category, or a category or one of many categories, then you are not able to see where they are currently fitting.

This is the same when one is observing their friend or the mailman. If you expect the mailman is simply the mailman, perhaps you do not see that he is a violinist.

Q: Understood, that makes a lot of sense. I guess just reading the Law of One, you get curious. because you get exposed to the concepts that you had no idea even existed and like you saying, you probably have certain expectations now. You know whether with channeling, or with what Atlas may be or look like or from, but it is something I am still very curious about. So I will ask this further question. I know you couldn't give me solid ground.

V: Yes

Q03: When you said they did incarnate down here. Before, was it essentially somewhat of the same type as Ra in Egypt you know when they came down or is it incarnation in the form of say for example the same as me as a human who had a body and an experience and then kind of moved on ? If you can explain that.

V: [12:53 12:53] We sense that their time incarnate or in matter upon this planet, was neither of those, we will perhaps remind you that upon your planet there are many life forms, many intelligent life forms though not necessarily intelligent in the way that you attribute to humans or what you would attribute to alien species, but very intelligent life forms that are gathering information through experience in the same way, that you are gathering information or experience. We sense that your Atlas group is far more connected to the planet and planet consciousness than human consciousness, or at least in the time that they were in matter form, we see much connectivity, network, fibers running from one of their being to another but a deep symbiosis where even upon this planet they did not consider themselves to be separate, thereby do not have the experience incarnate of separation consciousness, if this were to be a bipedal or human tribe or form then it would have been a unique experiment upon your planet, we are not at liberty to say directly what species or form that they took, but we are at liberty to transmit what we are seeing to you as abstract as it might seem and when they were or simultaneously are the information that they gathered served towards perhaps other forms of incarnation that we not on the surface of this planet. And their evolution continued from the learning here and the connection to this planet remained. [16:09 16:09]

Q: Understood and so they talk about, hang on actually I've got a few questions.

Q04: Ok so they talk about potentially, I guess somewhat similar to what Jessicka is doing. They are talking about potentially writing a book, is this accurate ?
What is their attention with me being down here and me channeling them, so to speak.

V: [16:44 16:44] So this is your shared intention, your intention is their intention, you are collaborators, it would not be possible to communicate in the way that you do had you not had the agreements pre-incarnation to be a collaborator in this fashion.

Yes, the potential to share the message further, to write a book or be any form of vessel for their information or your shared information, is very prominent, very possible. It is your choice and at the same time, there is no rush too choose. the group infinitely patient for they are in infinity and they have an awareness that you are in infinity as well there is no possibility of failure in this mission, there is just the possibility to enjoy the dance that you have decided to dance. [17:53 17:53] \

Q: Understood, thank you. And then, let me see

Q05: So, they also talk about awakening or enlightenment as a lot of people talk about. Which is essentially an avenue you know, that I would like to get to one day.
Is this also one of my pre-incarnation I guess agreements or intentions to wake up to the infinite in this specific incarnation ?

V: [18:36 18:36] It is your intention, it is a intention, pre-incarnation however the intention pre-incarnation did not have the limitation of this particular incarnation it is an intention that you hold beyond incarnation. Your awakening process, or awakening potential or whatever you would like to call the expansion of who you are into the more of who you are, is a theme that is at the forefront of your experience. At this time, because is it something that you do very much care about and you have the fortune of this moment in time to be not only aware, of this theme and this desire but to be able to pursue it, to the best of your we will not use the word capabilities, because it is not a question of capability but it is to the best of your wanting to perhaps. If the question is: Will you come to awakening in this lifetime, the act of awakening is not an act the moment or awakening is not a moment, it is simply remembering that you are already awake. You could not not be, therefore any extra, details your have put or have been taught upon this concept, are simply details and extras nothing will change when you are awakened, you are already awakened it's just you do not believe that you are. This is why we reiterate that it is a choice, many of the people that you teach to both yourself as you and through your example and with the entity that you channel are not even aware of the possibility of choosing to wake from the dream and therefore you are here teaching that as an act of compassion and beauty and because it is the theme and the path that you decided would be the most entertaining for you in this lifetime. However you could not teach something you did not know. So you have simply forgotten that you have already learnt this curriculum. It is a interesting climate that you exist in because yet the forgetting is quite dense and at the same time very humorous.

It is like when someone is searching and searching for their glasses because they cannot read a sign and their glasses are on the top of their head. Or even worse, already on their nose. [22:01 22:01]

Q: Well and like you said with this climate there is this tendency to forget I guess its just the nature of the climate, with that in mind, with that limitation in mind..

Am I gonna wake up ? As of right now, as you said I am already awake but present moment I don't see it or feel it you know. So am I going to wake up ? With that perspective I guess I just shared

V:[22:24 22:24] From that perspective, or from that question, we suggest that if your desire is is to wake up then the most sensible strategy for you at this time with the sensation that you have in your being, is not to push towards waking up but simply to remember that you are forgetting, perhaps you cannot remember what you are forgetting at this time, but the simpler remembrance that you are forgetting will slowly lead you to remember and our answer for you and for anyone like you or anyone who would listen to our words past and present is, yes of course you will awake. Will you still be in your physical vessel ? At the time that this occurs is not for us to say, but there is a guarantee. that as you separate from your physical vessel sooner or later, if that is your belief that that can occur, that you will rejoin the rest of your consciousness that is every present, but blocked by the fact that the flesh that is being transmitted into has it's limitations the flesh however is not who you are and the being that commands controls including the brain matter and your thinking process itself is not limited, remember that it is your mind that believes that it hasn't awakened. But you are not your mind. And you, especially you, who can access what you see as external in the form of larger consciousness or higher self, or other beings, already have the tools already in your physical vehicle to be able to access all that is not flesh, if your emphasis and identity of self were to be placed more upon that sensing or knowing or hearing or seeing or being that is beyond your physical senses, and your through processes about your physical senses and you began to associated your sense of identity with that aspect of you, then in very no time, you will know that you are enlightened, this can happen over the course of a single conversation. Or staring into a candle flame, in meditation or out of meditation, you could be driving your car and at one moment you could realize that you are everything, everywhere, all the time. [25:40 25:40]

Q: Understood. Ok another question I had is

Q06: I feel like some times just being in my body, something moves me, what exactly is this ?

V: Are you talking about something moves you physically ? [25:57 25:57]

Q: Yes

V: Yes, this is part of channeling as well.

Q: OK, So is it atlas, because at any point if i just feel my body, I can for now for example feel my head going back and forth and I am not making the movements.

V: Yes

Q: So what do you mean is part of channeling ?
Is it Atlas that are channeling... if so why does it not necessarily feel good ?
Like when they do usually.

V: Yes it is a function of preparing you perhaps for more channeling, perhaps physical or verbal. You are an instrument to energies, as you say it doesn't not feel like it is you moving, and if it does not feel like the entity with which you are familiar moving you or if you have any form of fear or resistance towards these movements it will not feel comfortable even if it is a close friend that is moving you and we refer to your Atlas, in this way. Because as there is resistance, there is a discomfort within you, you immediately come to thoughts that are not in alignment with the truth of the matter. perhaps fear thoughts or discomfort thoughts and then you will feel that fear and discomfort because it is not in alignment with what is the truth of the thing, at that point, you will no longer have the sensations or movements, because you will be resisting them but not only, also the energy will back of if it is a benevolent energy, if you at any time find yourself in a similar situation and you find yourself unable to control these movements and it is an unpleasant situation that you cannot manage, then you may at any time tell whatever entity is bothering you to stop it and they should, they will. We can speak that when we came to this vessel there were many years of these movements, or our tuning the vessel, especially the head, we still do not have full access of the rest of the body and there was much resistance for many years, to the point of her abandoning meditation for some years because these movements were not welcomed they were frightening, but it was preparation.

Q: Understood, I guess it's a. I just wanted to make sure, like you are saying it wasn't a negative entity so to speak because usually when I channel Atlas it feels good, but when I get, go my body it doesn't necessarily feel good and that coupled with that moving around. Ok,

V: There is fear about negative entities at this time, then look at that fear first, look at your relationships, with energy and with Atlas, develop a very strong relationship through intention with only Atlas and so you will only allow through that energy, Therefore you will be able to recognize the energy signature.

We are under the impression that you do not converse directly with Atlas as much as you can or would be beneficial to at this time. but we assure you that they are open to your own questions ? And the moment you question them answers will flow to you, so if you have this experience, and ask are you Atlas, you would know right away. But you are asking yourself instead of asking the energy that you are familiar with. [30:32 30:32]

Q:I got yah, makes sense. it makes sense, ok, let me see.

Q07: And then for, obviously I am not yet - I don't have access to well, I am sure you will use different words, but I am not a channel completely yet, like Jessicka is. What can I do with this physical instrument ? to guess to better my channeling with Atlas. Like what steps can I take to you now improve that connection so that it's more on purpose and consistent.

V: [31:31 31:31] Well channeling is impersonal in that you remove or you step out of the way, as the vessel when the energy is coming through which is not always the case, but in the case that we believe that you are referring to, what is absolutely necessary is a personal relationship between yourself and the entity that you are choosing to channel. Or that is channeling through you, it would require a entity that had complete disregard for your well being to come through you as a channel without you having a personal and consensual relationship with them for it is extremely intimate to inhabit the body of another being and it is extremely intimate to allow another being to inhabit your body, any resistance or difficulty that you are having in doing this may be because you are not yet at the point in your relationship, your personal relationship, with the entity group that makes you comfortable to feel that the vulnerability that is required is being honored, it is for this that we suggest that you contact Atlas directly and begin to have more personal conversations with them, asking them what could make your body a better vehicle, asking them what could make you more able or ready for channeling, asking them if you will be awakened in this incarnation, for the answers are there for you and even if they are not or not willingly given to you, you will be developing a relationship based on trust, with the entity, and be able to slowly understand if it is truly something that you want to have this entity group come through you. Because it is possible that you in your conversations with them, find that there is a discord between their message and what you would like to bring more of into the world. and with your ability to channel there are potentially many entity groups simply waiting for the possibility to have someone with your disposition. But we do believe that you are a good match with Atlas at this time. And that relationship is fruitful.
We would suggest for you to have a bit more trust in them and as you do develop that trust you will naturally develop the necessary skills or willingness to either leave your body or allow them to flow through you in writing at a more fluid level. [34:49 34:49]

Q: From what I am getting the movements themselves are not necessarily an indication of a negative entity, it sounds like it could just be preparation for atlas to come in and if I do feel that it could be a negative entity then you know I can just demand or tell it, intention wise to leave, is that correct ?

V: [35:22 35:22] Yes
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Q: Understood, so I guess the other thing that you know made me a bit weird was Atlas talked before about you know a pain body, so to speak. So how does that correlate having a pain body, or an energetic entity that will be an assuming negatively oriented as a channel, it is, am I not more susceptible to that ?

V: Are you more susceptible to it because you have we are not sure that we understood the question.

Q08: Ok, Can the pain body take over a channel ? in the way Atlas can come in, can come and take over

V: [36:10 36:10] Well an entity does not take over a channel, without the being being displaced willingly at any point in time should there be need our vessel can come back to full consciousness, there is no magic, the magic happens because of the willingness to step out of the way, and allow us to drive, so to speak. Therefore the beings who are susceptible to being what you would call taken over, by a negative entity or pain body of pushed out of the way of their consciousness, are those who perhaps are willingly stepping out of their consciousness for any reason what so ever. Perhaps because they're fulfilling a need, to feel needed or wanted, perhaps because they have some mental or emotional inconsistencies, but if you believe yourself to be of sound mind and body which we would suggest to assure yourself to be before you take up any form of channeling. And of course this it relevant,(relevant) ,RELATIVE [37:40 37:40] because there are many on your planet who would say any form of channeling was an indication that you were not of sound mind or body, so of course, understand your discernment of this, needs to be quiet broad if you are to continue down this path. But if you'd believe yourself to be of sound mind and body, you do not believe yourself to be holding on to any significant trauma that you have not yet worked at, through yourself, then you are not a ideal candidate for one who would occupy your body and use if for mal-intent, because your sanity would quickly understand that there was mal-intent and kick them out of the drivers seat, so our suggestion is, if there is work to do on yourself, that you are aware of, then of course that it the starting point and doing that work will prepare you and there is a wisdom to perhaps why it has not yet happened that your are embodying channeling of a benevolent entity at this time, perhaps you are naturally putting a block upon it until you can finish some work that you have to do, we cannot say. But, the point towards a fear that a negative entity could inhabit you is an indication that there perhaps is a mistrust of yourself or of the universe in general that something bad could happen, and looking at that fear and looking at that mistrust will make you invulnerable to it.

Does this make any sense ? [39:45 39:45

Q: Yes it does, and you mentioned you cannot say, why is that ?

V: Well we cannot say if you have a trauma, or something that you know, that is weighing upon you that you are conscious of at this time, because you are either conscious of it or it is not our place to say.

Q: Understood. Ok.

Q09: And then also in just reading about in the Law of One, are you as, the channels or Atlas, are you from what Ra calls the confederation.

V: [40:24 40:24] We would say that, unity is our primary often soul objective. We avoid labels for this specific reason. Simply because if there is a label, that one is from what is called the confederation, then there must be one that is not from the confederation. We are from the unity that includes all. This does not necessarily exclude that there are labels upon labels upon labels of different systems or names that are in place for convenience sake. But our teaching at this time, in this format and through this vessel is that of unity or oneness. So we are very much aligned with what is presented in that body of work.

Q: And so we cannot answer yes or no for either you or Atlas ?

V: [41:50 41:50] We cannot answer FOR Atlas, Atlas can answer for themselves.

Q10: Understood. Let me see what else I have here, and then I guess one more thing is Ra talks about actually, I realize like you said 7 densities where said is not necessarily is a hierarchical thing, moreso as just a pathway what happens after the 7th density ?

V: [42:37 Absorption into the one. A full understanding, no need for individuation of any form, not even group or collective. It is already, it is the All-That-Is there is nothing and even nothingness is not a thing. The interesting aspect is that all of the densities are always present of course. There are octaves and after the 8th one is no longer an individual one, but if one were an individual one they are graduated or placed into what could be considered another octave of consciousness, a mind and individuated mind cannot grasp, we as individuated cannot grasp what that would be, for it would not be it would be a not being. We are feeling that we are talking in code almost for it is not something that can be spoken of. And there is no specific reason to strive for that which is something that something that perhaps if you would like to look at densities one understands outside of 3rd, when one realizes that exactly where one is is not only exactly where one is not only meant to be but is eternally, on many levels. So, it does not matter what is beyond 7th density, it cannot matter to anyone who would want to give meaning to anything. For passing through 4th and 5th and 6th one arrives at a point where they understand that there is no one to give meaning to anything for there is nothing to give meaning to. We do not normally speak on these topics, not for any particular reason but because questions such as this do not arise and when they do the answers are seeming to be circular or spiral in nature, we assure you that if there was a way to perceive of what there is, and a way to describe it which of course there are not, then it would be beautiful.

We are not privy in first persons to this experience, and in this now are eternally grateful to be in the experience we are currently enjoying. [47:01 47:01]

Q11: Understood, and then another thing I was trying to understand was this. Say you wake up, you know the earth term for it would be enlightenment, say you wake up or lets say you just realize your true nature, if realizing your true nature, gives you a perspective that you are infinite, how is it possible that you still have to go through the different densities, if you are already aware that you are infinite ? I don't know if I am, if my question makes sense at all

V: [47:39 47:43] Yes, you do not, you do not have to go through the different densities, it is not linear. There is an aspect of you that is already in each of the other densities, your awakening, into that aspect of you, it is not that you incarnate in one density and then incarnate in the next or the next or the next or dis-incarnate as it would be or many of them, it is not that you were as your individuation once a dog and you are now a man. It is that you are simultaneously a dog and a man or simultaneously a rock and man, or simultaneously a woman and a man and that all of these densities are occurring simultaneously to what you believe to be now an individuation. However, at some point if you were to awaken to your infinite nature you would know that you are already 4th density and already 5th, 6th and onward. Because if you knew you were infinite, you would have infinite access to those experiences to lessons that were learned within them.
or that are being learned within them currently and your progression would be simultaneous, it would be instantaneous. This is in part what awakening is. It doesn't not mean the destruction of the 3rd Density representation of that same infinity, that is the irony. Your third density experience is a fundamental part of that infinite-ness, it is where you are positioning yourself in your consciousness that makes the 3rd density seem so real and predominant in your experience. However it is not. Not in the fullness of you's experience.

We have spoken to you before about a tree and the branches and how you and Atlas are connected upon that tree, if you were to awake to the infiniteness you would realise that you are Atlas as well. Your access to their consciousness would be complete. You would have access to, all of the wisdom that they have which is a process that is occuring as well. But you would realise that you are not only the tree, you are also the air that surrounds it, the atmosphere the cosmos and beyond that the spark of divinity that decided at some point to create all of that in the first place. There is always something beyond until there is nothing. And this is back to what you asked on 'What is beyond' 7th. It is not speakable because there is no way, from this or any of the densities to perceive of it in a direct experience because it is not experiencable so when you glimpse infinity, you will simultaneously have full acceptance for the fact that you are human here on this planet at this time and know that you are everything else as well.

There isn't the concept of a linear progression through the densities, even if it has been outlined that way for the sake of explanation. It is for the sake of understanding in a way, that is possible for humans that that material has been taught in that manner. For if taught on the level that it was taught from it would not be comprehensible to who is being meant to receive it. In fact if it was being taught from the level of where it was being taught from it would not be taught at all. Because it would be unnecessary to teach it. [52:22 52:22]

Q: Understood. Thats a, that's a lot to comprehend naturally with this mind. But I get the general idea of what you are saying. I think that is it. yeah.

Q12: Did Atlas have any messages for me ? Anything they want to say to me ?

V: [52:48 52:48] Yes, only that you do not listen to them enough, they have been present this entire meeting and in very lovingly watching over, they are excited for the potential of a closer relationship. With you. They would like for you to let down your guard a little bit, in whatever way is comfortable for you even if it means you talking to yourself in the mirror and laughing at yourself because you can't think that it can possibly be channeling what is coming back through or if you think you are imagining the answers that are coming to you, they ask you to have faith in the answers that come to you, for the only way they have to communicate with you right now is through that faith.

Q: Understood. Will do. Thank you very much.

V: They would like you to remember or receive the personal gift that they want to give you. and that it's not only for others they want you to be able to receive the gift of your relationship with them in a way that you haven't been receiving it yet.

Q: Thank you.
V: Thank you.

Q: I think that is all thank you very much.

V: We are honored that you came to speak with us again. And we do believe that you are a colleague to us. That more will come to you about any of the questions that you have asked us, for your Atlas is there ready to answer all the same questions. And we send to you all of our love and such joyousness that we are all working together. We wish you the light of a thousand suns :) Anainai.

Q: Thank you. [ 55:58 55:58]

[Jessie Returns from trance 56:07 56:07]

Q: Hey, welcome back. Ha ha How you feelin ?

J: Great

Q; Yeah I bet. Awesome thank you. That was a good session.

J: Good, I am glad.

Q: Yeah, I was trying to clarify a couple of things because what happens is again, connection is so spotty, because I guess I have trust issues. So yeah you start, you read a couple of things, I just read the Law of One, for the first time, yeah, it was a bit of a crazy crazy things.

J: Yeah.

Q: I have a couple of questions on it, have you read it ?

J: I have yeah, I think I have only read the old, like there was the new books, they are not like new books, but they are like to larger volumes. I read the older one.
So I don't know if it's all the content. I think it's a lot less than what has come out. Like what they publish recently.

Q: I got you, I am not sure. I'm not sure, I think it was just the one on audible.

J: Ok cool.

J: Yeah so that's the one I read yeah. It's heavy

Q; Nice nice

J: How did you digest that ? I found it, like whenever I read channeled material I find it almost impossible to recall any of it, like it gets zapped out of my brain immediately.
It's crazy.

Q: ah ha ha yeah. Yeah I can't and that's why I have questions and thatsthe problem too in the sense of reading it, especially too depending on where you are perspective wise, some of it mentally gets out, you know drawn out of line.

Like they were explaining that the densities obviously you are reading and you see oh you visualize the densities you think it's like the linear thing and they are saying 'No it's not it's this', or even awakening you think working from 3rd to 4th to 5th and they are like ah ha you are accessing everything at once. You know I don't know man.

J: ha ha ha

Q: I don't know Man that's hard to comprehend.

J: Yeah.

Q: Wait I was going to ask you, so do you, I guess from your perspective are you what people would call awake or enlightened ?

J: Oh, I don't know. I mean I wouldn't - I've had some like pretty amazing experiences that have been completely perspective shifting, but like those words were super interesting to me a couple of years ago and then like...

Q: Not any more..

J: Yeah like it all kind of feels like it's all the same thing, you know.
it's all

Q: Ah ok.

J: But you know I don't you know, I definitely still could beat myself up about how often I am I am fucking up.. so you know I mean so like, yeah yeah. I don't know, do awakened people do that... I don't know. I have no idea.

Q: I have no idea. Essentially it's not the same in a sense, I guess you already are there, you just convince yourself you are not. I don't know.
I think for me the problem is you go into these states and you come back to the normal and so when you are in the the normal you are not necessarily in the states that you were in so now you feel like maybe ok there are states are what the other are. If you are there permanently. I don't know.

J: Well I know that if I was like, how I am when I am channeling permanently then I would not be me at all. So you know, there is a... [ not audible, both talking]

Maybe I could channel all the time but what would that be like for, like I wouldn't even, I wouldn't exist at that point so.

Q: Yeah exactly.

J: You know, Yeah but they left me with a note about the head moving thing. [59:29 59:29]

To talk to you about that, because I got to hear like that part of the conversation.
So when I was like way before I even knew about channeling.

Q: uh huh

J: I had these weird experiences with my head moving or whatever. Right, and I wasn't until I had read, Ask and It is Given, the Abraham Hicks book, that she talked about her head moving at the beginning of the book. Like that is now she ended up in channeling.

That was like kind of when I first started going like Oh Fuck I am not going to let my head move anymore and I like quit meditation like I just I took a large step away from spirituality completely, because it freaked me out, it was the same thing as you, I didn't know what was going on or coming through or what was going on or whatever. So the more I looked into like all this stuff around like what do you call soul protection and energy cutting and all like that stuff about protecting your being from taking over, because the more I was like wait a minute that is really fear based, like thinking, like you are protecting yourself by visualizing white light and stuff like that and it sounds like a whole lot of work, that it just didn't align, so at some point it kind of went like I am a sovereign being of like my beingness you know. So like the same way that I don't step into traffic I'm not gonna like anything dangerous happen to me you know what I mean ?

You know what I mean, of course I am going to know. Like why wouldn't I know you know.

Q: ha ha ha

J: So that is when I started kind going like... oh...this is ok and then like and then like oh my god, I am really weird. Like I didn't want people seeing me move my head when I was meditating. Like that all came up, so I had to work through so much stuff, with just that before I even like before I even knew I was channeling, I was like I am just a weirdo that moves my head you know. Like.

Q: Yeah

J: So now when I get into channeling, there is a lot less of that, but they have also been making requests of me like for the past 6 months to try to open my eyes more, when i am channeling or try to use my hands more, or like, they want more physical stuff. And I am not comfortable with that yet so it's just not really happening, it's happened a bunch of times but it's not really happening, but ah, but when they are going through like those transitions, so like the sessions I have opened my eyes, my head is like all over during those sessions. Like really messages up you know. So I am aware that my head is doing like this and this... ah ha ha ha with this neck. So they gave me this note to talk to you at this level just like to let you know, look it's normal for us. ah ha

Q: yeah ok,

J [laughter]

Q: yeah I remember one time, I was just hanging out with a person and they were like Dude what are your doing with your head and oh yeah yes... and

I think my problem too in a sense, was yeah it was like a lot of fear based and one time Atlas had talked to me about a pain body. So to me I am like...wait. how do I know this is Atlas versus this is not, because you know my head is all over the place. just sometimes it is stretching itself... I am like what in the world, what is controlling ... like you know what I and saying, you are right. That is essentially what they touched upon.

J: But I have also heard like Eckhart Tolle speak about each of us having our own pain body which is just like the accumulation of all of our individual,

Q: [Themes, Things ?]

J: Yes like all of our stuff, and yes those are where your weaknesses are, but they are also where your leanings are, so I don't know if Atlas was talking about that in terms of like, just like make sure you are dealing with that first.

Q: Be aware

J: Not because you are threat of something, but because you are like I think also. I think Vagrein said in the call, that if there is stuff going on that you haven't dealt with then you are sort of like, you are kind of like. I got to find a better analogy. Because the one I have is probably not appropriate but - Like you know that person maybe in high school who was really beaten down, by life, and maybe the bullies in the class could just convince them to do anything, just to do anything just to be seen and just to be like.

So it's kind of like that if you have these vulnerabilities where you just want something to make your feel alive, then I can see how someone could end up channeling something that wasn't beneficial just because they kept stepping out of the way in the wrong moments. You know what I mean, Like they

Q: yeah yeah yeah.

J: Allowing the wrong thing through... you know.

Q: Right, right, right

J: But you just got to have faith that like you are going to know, you can trust in yourself you don't have to even trust the entity, you just have to trust yourself. like. Is this cool or not cool, you know.

Q: That makes a lot of sense, you know like you are saying and like they are saying, you are sound mind and you are gonna know if something is happening. and then there is that.

J Right.,

Q: I think it just was a lot of fear

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J: Completely crazy, and if you are worried about being completely crazy, like sort that out first.

Q: ah ha ha Well yeah, I am at least comfortable with that feeling. Or at least just watching it now. before of course any of this started you don't know anybody. you know when you tell a couple of people. this is happening.
They are like ok, there he is ...

J: [Laughter]

Q: And when it first came out I struggled with that a lot, and you know it was kind of common.

J: Was that a long time ago ?

Q: and then, yeah maybe a year and a half, maybe 2.

J: Oh

Q: yeah yeah yeah, But of course Atlas comes in and they are just this intelligent ...yeah see I am not crazy you are crazy.. how do you not know this.

Ah yeah, Thank you for sharing, Thank you for sharing your perspective. That helps. I don't think I had any body who has literally had their head wobbled and yes that I remember Atlas, I mean Abraham Hicks basically they are talking about the head wobble,for me obviously it's just wobbling... and at some point it gets to a point where I get the yes's and the no's depending on whatever it is.

J: Exactly.

Q: Depending on whatever it is, and What I realized before... I didn't compute. I didn't realize that it's more based off my intention the yes's and the no's.

J: Oh cool.

Q: Versus, what I am thinking...For example I will be like...well are you in the evil entity or something just to ask you know Who are you ? and then I get the wobbles and then during meditation I realize it's more about my intention. If you are asking hey, are you good ? But your intention is really kind of fear based then they are doing to shake your head.

J: Yeah of course.

Q: Exactly.

J: Well there you go. That makes sense.

Q: And then aligning.. yeah yeah.
Thank you. Thank you for this talk.

J: I think also like on the other end on sort of their end, we are like a pretty complicated computer,do you know what I mean, you know it takes a bit of time to figure out which buttons to push and stuff like that. And like when they figure out that they can move this whole mass, they are like whoa...

Q: Yeah they get super excited.. Exactly.

J; It's working... It's working...
Yes, Even like when I go in trance, the movements are a little less obvious now, but there are sometimes... when it's just like

Q: tweaking...

J: Yes but they are tuning it all out so... yeah yeah

Q: awesome. Thank you.

J: Anyway, great session, thanks so much, like keep in touch I want to hear how your journey goes. Like just send me a message every once in a while.

Q; I definitely will, I know at least I have someone who relates and knows where I am coming from.

J: Yes you can tell me what's next too.

Q: Absolutely. Thank you so much Jessicka.