V: [02:442:44] Good Evening, and welcome back to you.
We are pleased to share this time with you again.

Q:Hello
V: Hello

Q: Do you have anything you want to share with me before I make a comment ?

V: We are excited to hear what you would have to share.

Q01: Yeah, I don't have many questions in this moment, or many at all, but I felt guided to have this meeting with you. So I am excited to discover why ? [ laughter]
I am not feeling any kind of lack or anything really out of place, or not feeling very challenged. But I did have a funny idea, that feels really good, and I would love to hear what you have to say. And that is around the idea of money, that money has been basically the only main excuse I have for believing in separation or playing in the illusion of separation, and so I played with the idea that if I didn't have 'problems with money' then what would I be doing, would the game be over. go ahead

V: What did you discover ?

Q: I discovered that without having so called problems, [laughter] or any kind of fear or unsafety, I sense that that felt too easy, and in a way felt like I'd see myself on a pedestal, above everyone else, or that I could not relate to others and their pain if I did not have problems myself.

V: We feel that this is a healthy exploration and that your conclusions from this exploration are in part accurate, however you, as a individuation of consciousness, with the elements of experience, that you are consciously able to access, would arrange for yourself to have some other direction of expansion, which yes may not seem problematic, may not seem to hold that element of discomfort or seeming relevance to other-selves, as you currently use your circumstance with money, to ground you in the human experience or do what it is you believe is grounding you in the human experience, it is not.

You do not have to fear letting go of your problems with money, they do not define you, we sense that there is part of you that identifies the self, or the relevant or the [ youthful, useful ?? 07:42 07:42] element of self, as that which can be related to, as you step into that exploration of who you would be if you had no problems in the particular field, and lean more towards the vapor of essence that flows through you and not the representation on a human plane that you are currently regarding. You will see that that isness of you, does still and will still have a very important and impactful mission or service or relevance, in your life, and for others. We will not say that some other problem will fill the void we so not believe that this is the case.

What we do believe is you will have the opportunity to understand and express who you are, without the distraction, of the physical realm, and be more of an example to other selves, of that expression. We may also remind you, that you will never have not had the experience, of having not had the financial security that you required or desired. In your historical human timeline past, and so you may at any time reference back to this time, to be able to aid other-selves in their own journey with this particular subject.

You are so playful, you came to this meeting asking, what it is that called you to this meeting, you said that you would like to discover what that was and we would like to make a counter proposal for you to now choose what that would be, for there is nothing to discover in reality, there is only the infinite possibility of choices. You may from this moment forward, choose to no longer have this perceived issue, it does not mean that you will have a windfall tomorrow, though you might.

What is does mean is that you simply choose for it to no longer be an issue, that you are entertaining as a security blanket so that you do not have to step into your highest version. Which of course we will remind you, you always are. Tomorrow your highest version may be the one that has no issues, with this topic, or it may be one who is continuing to explore this topic because it is the exploration that is chosen in this time-space reality.
However, the moment that you become aware that it is in fact a choice, you are choosing there is no judgement on which choice is made and both are equally valid, and both are [12:11 12:11] equally just two options of an infinite number of possibilities, that you may choose to focus on cultivating that essence while letting go of this condition, and we would say that you are on the right path and in the right direction with this exploration in the first place, the more you focus upon the 'who would I be' without this issue, the more you will come to a conclusion that you are allowed to be that person and therefore you can be that person now, and therefore the condition will no longer be necessary in your reality, for you to then let go of.

Q: Thank you, I like the, I liked that you used the phrase playful because I always like going to playing in a game when it comes to anything that's seems hard. And so do you have. I have asked maybe a similar question. No, maybe similar in the past but

Q02: Do you have any way, besides what you just showed, shared, or maybe what it's you just shared or like who would I be without this issue, of a game I could play with myself around this topic of money

V: From our perspective it is very easy to shift the perspective to a game, but this it because we are not from a place of conditioning around this topic. But when you look at money and the financial system in itself, you are talking about the exchange of drawings on pieces of paper. There is nothing more playful than that. You have the game monopoly, you know how that works and you sit down and some people take it very seriously and throw the board across the room if they are not winning, and others are bored, and others still enjoy the game, and do want to buy the little houses or hotels, and have the other players lose their money to them, and at the end of the game, they go off and do something else. We suggest, to you to take this third stance, where when you are dealing with your financial matters, to enjoy it in the same way that you would enjoy a game of monopoly. When you are winning it feels good, when you are not winning you just say, well the game will be over soon, because your focus will shift off of that experience of my bank account is not doing as I would like it, or something has happened that requires my attention [in this farm ?? 16:07 16:07] and if you can in that moment just simply deal with it and play the game by the rules, because it is what is required of you in that game moment. Afterwards you can go and enjoy a walk in the garden, or spend time with a friend, and if you can leave the game at the table, in those other moments, your vibration will maintain a lightness to it, which will then work in your favor, as you begin to understand, or decide, decide is more accurate, as you begin to decide what to do with each and every of your financial decisions. You will then also, slowly unravel any blocks that you have to abundance arriving to you in the financial form, because your focus, will be off of this particular topic and you will naturally begin to see the abundance or the fact that you are provided for without a financial backing. At the moment poverty, through poverty where you cannot eat is not a reality in the near future for you, you need very little to survive, and much of the blocks or perceived blocks that you have on this topic are not coming from your true understanding of existence, they are coming from beliefs that you are ready to let go of, and that you are safe to let go of the most pervasive belief of the group is that you are unsafe to let go of the belief that you are unsafe. You may start there [18:14 18:14]

Q: uhm, Thank you.
V: Thank you.

Q03: So lately, or for the past few months, but I feel that I can feel very clearly my, that's what we call it, my higher self, and those states or modes, feel very good and then I wonder why I do things, like scrolling on social media, that feel way worse than communion and channeling my higher self into service.

Can you speak on that ? What my motivation is, or I know you would also say that, it's just becoming more aware, in every moment that I can choose which state I want to be in. Can you speak on this ?

V: Yes, we will alleviate some discomfort by explaining a bit that the human brain is fundamentally a computer system, it is fantastic, however it is programmable, and has been programmed by your experience throughout your current incarnation. Therefore there are, two or more, many elements of your brain that function side by side, the part of you, that is in contact, with your higher self, and is aware of that contact, is not the same part that is choosing absentmindedly, and it is absentmindedly, to go on social media, the part of you that is regretting the choosing to go on social media, even that part is not the same part that is in contact with your higher self. There have been many philosophies, and studies and psychologies that can explain this in some amount, however it is not necessarily the most functional thing to have explanations when one wants to experimentally make changes, in their behavior, the first step we would suggest would be to allow yourself to know that it is not the you that you are calling in, the new you, or the you that is currently in evolution that is making the choices to partake in old habits, or make decisions that do not feel anymore relevant or in alignment to you, the only solution to this is to, as you said, bring awareness far more awareness to every one moment, and when one does find that they have slipped into an unconscious state, where behavior comes in that they are not consenting to, because ultimately that is what is occurring,
you are temporarily running a program that you are no longer content in running, so when this occurs to stop and look at what happened, immediately before that program began to run, whatever emotional state, thought pattern or sensation, in your physical being that was the trigger point for that that pattern to begin to run, it could be boredom or insecurity, or perhaps some physical ailment that you have not dealt with, it could be absolutely anything, that is the source or the element that you would be well to recognize before the program runs, to be able to catch it, and that is what is being asking to be worked through. Because your habit, or your behaviors like as you used the example, scrolling through social media, are there because they are satisfying a need that you are not yet aware that you have. When you understand what the need is, you can understand a healthier or more productive, or more consensual way to meet that need in yourself. That does not involve you then beating yourself up, or caving into old programming that no longer serves you.
We also suggest, immense amounts of compassion, during this unravelling, because you will not or it will be potentially difficult to recognize all of these triggers, at the first go. So you are also being asked by by your own triggers, and by your own habits to learn more compassion and self love, so every time you make the perceived or caving to a habit that not longer serves you, or every time you go catch the trigger, and are able to then acknowledge that you have a need that can be met in more sufficient or efficient way, you may congratulate yourself because either way you are in a state of full expansion.

There is nothing that is not working for you, there is no error in what is occurring that you have this state of consciousness, and still behave in ways that you know longer approve of, so we do not feel that is it necessary to hold on to any sort of shame, guilt or self blame that may occur around this topic.

Q: Thank you, that really helps.
V: We are pleased. [25:48 25:48]

Q04: When I tune in with more of of like and expanded sense of my future self, I feel excited by the idea of for instance giving a ted talk, and positively impacting millions of people, in one way or another, as well as being in a community of others like me, who have a, who have played the game of money, and are financially successful, and so I recognize some hesitance in moving forward in taking action towards these things, can you speak to any of that.

V: We could only ask you the question that you asked us. What is the hesitance in moving forward ? What would be dangerous, about those things occurring ?

Q: ah ha, Uhm actually nothing dangerous, nothing that could be solved, it's the idea of being of either losing money or losing time/energy. So I am seeing now, that I am thinking I have to do something unpleasurable, that I am believing that I have to force myself into something. Which doesn't feel good.

V: [28:22 28:22] Nor should it. You see you have left out, some details of your vision, you have not talked to yourself about how easy it's going to be, you have not talked to yourself about how it is more a question of letting go, than it is of doing, because when you let go into yourself, there is nothing to do, and if you can visualize yourself on stage, or visualize yourself with financial abundance, it is already available to you simply because the possibility to imagine something cannot exist without it being possible, it is already there, there are hundreds of millions of people who do not see themselves on a stage, they do not have this in their field they are disinterested in their entirety in this topic at all, and they have their own beautiful spark of life, that has it's own topics but they are completed disinterested in yours. So why would you have the dreams and visions and goals that you have, unless they were relevant to you. If you had some other potential future, would you not be dreaming of that ? Would you not be dreaming of owning a ski resort ? or becoming a formula one racecar driver ? There are people with those dreams and those are for them and your dreams are for you. They are a compass so that you know which direction you should be heading in.

You said that one of your potential fears would be that there would be financial loss, however it is our understanding that you are not currently in a position of some massive financial wealth that you need to be afraid of losing. Therefore, we would say, that it is possible to take any steps in the direction that you would like, to go in, because even if you walk halfway there, and then are knocked a quarter of the way back, you will still be a quarter of the way towards your goal. There is nothing to fear because this is your life, this is what you are here for.

And we see this version of you, we see as you see because we are seeing through your minds eye, we see this version of you and we do not see the baggage that you are currently projecting onto it, we do not see this financial insecurity, because you have to remember that you will have to have let go of that to be arriving at that point. So it is not like you will take your current bags, you will leave these bags and exchange them for whatever else you need for that journey. You will unpack these. It's is as if you are going on two different trips, currently you have been travelling to lets say cold climate, vacation spots and you must unpack those bags and pack the suitcase that includes your bikini and beach towel. And you are in this process.

Remember you are always safe and always home, so there is no need to rush.

We see and we believe you see also your next steps [34:00 34:00]
Q: ah ha Thank you.
V: Thank you.

Q05: So in my blueprint readings there was a theme that came up that I was told that the shadow part that I am growing out of or grew out of so to speak, was or is relevant, I am not sure, is this idea of chaos and conflict being, motivations for growth towards peace, and I guess what I am believing at times, is that I will always have this, I will always have a conflict, in my life, this is related I guess to my first question, I guess I am believing that I will always have conflict of some kind in my life, and I feel I lose, I feel that believing this, is not beneficial to me. ah ha ha ha in the way that I am sensing that I came in here with somethings always going to be wrong, or missing or off. Can you speak to that ?

V: Yes, and you are very accustomed to this belief, and to this experience created through this belief, to the point of identifying with it and having an attachment to it, and yes, it no longer serves you, but you are in the process of shedding something that no longer serves you that you believe to be a part of yourself, you believe that you would not be you without this element. You believe that it is necessary to have conflict in your life, for you to be who you have decided yourself to be. As you shed this, you will have perhaps, we do not want to predict or project onto you what a possibility could be, because as you know you may choose any option but it is possible to have emotions of mourning, a sense of loss, a sense of confusion for you are accustomed to this being a partner and a partner that aids you or has aided you in the past, towards growth because you know in your personal history that many or your own conflicts have brought you to where you are today. We assure you that if you are at the stage of analyzing whether or not this belief is serving you and whether or not continuing to have conflict in your field is serving you, that you are in the process of shedding it, that it will take the time necessary to shed, and that timing is not up to you directly, that timing is based upon many elements and is a gentle timing for it is set by your higher self, it is set by the you that you are, and it will take as much time as needed for the you as your individuation to be able to process it, however there is a laughable matter, in that until you let go of this belief, you will continue to have the conflicts that have been serving you, so during your process of shedding, you will continue to have the semblance of these catalysts, which will push you further, we know that they will only push you further towards yourself. So perhaps it is time to enjoy the chaos, and the enjoy the conflict when it arises, with the air of a movie goer, to a [nutty feliney film (sp) 39:30 39:30]. You may observe what is happening around you, with a sense of detachment even if you are still attached to the part of you that believes that the chaos is necessary for your growth. It is not. You will arrive at a realization that is absolutely unnecessary and it will be one of those realizations that changes you, to the point of the chaos and conflict will no longer even register as such in your field, it was simply just be stuff that occurs and you will be untouchable to it. But as we said, this is a process that will take the necessary amount of time, until it is done.It is perhaps hard to explain that it is a slow process with an abrupt end.

Q: [Laughter] I like how that feels Thank you,
V: Thank you [ 40:46 40:46]

Q06: [Laughter} I guess I have enjoyed feeling, on some level I have enjoyed feeling lonely, ha ha right lonely or separate, through the experience of feeling a lot of fear or attachment in a current like intimate relationship and then also in perceiving that I don't have friends around me that I can spend time with or touch, so I guess I was enjoying feeling isolated for some reason, because that's what I believed. And so, even though I don't see right now, where friends will come in, or when friends will come in, who will come in or what will unfold in this intimate relationship, what would you suggest that I focus on ?
When I am feeling, when I am feeling lonely or I am feeling yeah, alone or unwanted.

V: [42:46 42:46] As you know, you are a version of the oneness that is, for this particular query, we would suggest that the fastest way to make connection and bridge what is perceived of as separation, is to imagine that there is someone else out there that you already know perhaps, that feels exactly the same way that you do and then if you cannot extend the love that you would want someone to extend to you, to yourself, extend that love to that person, that feels exactly the same way as you do. So in the case of feeling lonely and not having physical contact etc, perhaps you have a friend who is also in a position of such, and perhaps also has these feelings that they have not shared with you, it does not matter if they have shared them with you or not, it does not matter.
If you are accurate or not.

we would like to ensure that you are still there ? [44:11 44:11 (zoom connection inquiry) ]
Q: uh huh yeah.

It does not matter, for you are sharing the love that you are, with them as shared with yourself, the reason why one enjoys, which is the word that you used, the feeling of loneliness, or the feeling of isolation, or the feeling of being separate as the sensation of victimhood, is so very fulfilling,

Q: [laughter]

V: Extremely, fulfilling to think that one is special and one would have to be special to be able to be separate one would have to be special to be able to be so horrid that they are unloved, and one would have to be special to have managed to put themselves in a position where if they reached out no one would return the hand. So we understand and sympathize with the desire or impulse towards imagining that you are alone and imagining that you are the only one, because that is a very special position to be in. However you are not, you are not 'the only one', you are 'the one', but you are not the only one and therefore at any point in time that you feel lonely, remember that is simply a call from the collective for your specialness to be added back into the collective, that it is a call for you to reach out to that sensation of loneliness in the collective, to remind all of who you are all of what you are that no one is ever alone, and you can do this simply by being what you would want, to be for you, what you would want someone else to be for you. Even if it is just to a dog on the street, or a checkout clerk or in any form,

Q: [ laughter 46:22 46:22]

V: to have the ability in you to rise above that impulse, to be the victim or to think that you are alone, or to wallow in insecurity in relationship, and share that love with any and everyone that you meet. It comes from you. You are not isolated, you are not alone and we understand that as humans unravel their sense of self worth, and their sense of self hatred, it is at times very difficult to extend that hand to oneself and say 'It is ok for me to be alone because I have myself'. No, that is very difficult for you, but it is ok for you to be alone because you as you can then be that somebody for someone else. You have that strength in you. And you can exercise it at any time, the next time that you feel lonely, reach out and see if a friend needs your support for something. Or us any of your amazing creative talents to share what you know to be true with someone who needs it.
Loneliness is simply a misunderstanding. We understand that it is a strong sentiment and it can be overpowering, but you are on the path of learning how to understand your emotions more deeply, and it is with compassion that you will understand that it is not even your doing that you're feeling that way, you have not chosen to feel that way, you are having a feeling that you are choosing to intepret in that way, and that will unravel.

You are a pillar of light.

Q: Thank you
V: Thank you [ 48:55 48:55]

Q: So I have a fun question about trees. And I am curious if you can see that they actually do communicate with us, or how you would describe what feels like ideas coming from an object like a tree and since everything has it's own consciousness and everything is one consciousness, is it like saying potato, potato, tomato, tomato, if I say, I recieved a message from a tree, versus I say, I recieved a message from my higher self ? Can you speak on this.

V: [ 50:11 50:11] It is all the same thing we are not entirely sure we understand the relevance to dreams with this discourse or if you had changed topic. Are you implying that the message is via the dream state from the tree or you have had a message from a tree in waking state.

Q: In a waking state I am taking about.

V: Yes, it is all the same. The mind is what creates your reality on a physical plane, although there are many elements that are connected, but it is the filter before the physical plane, therefore, it is used in its way to determine through it's own logic, where messages are coming from.

[ Can you confirm you are still there ? 51:08 51:08 (checking Zoom internet connection]

[possible interrupt in session for 1 min ]

Q: ok I am back [51:45 51:45]
And so the last thing I heard you say, was that the mind uses it, the mind creates reality and the last thing I heard you say was about logic.

V: Yes, your mind creates what is logical to you to explain, what is perhaps still illogical to you. So yes, a tree and a higher self and use and angels and any other concepts that you could come up with to explain what you perceive of as external wisdom, is all equal in merit, because regardless of the source, of any of these perceived external messages, they are being filtered through your mind, through your vessel, through your vehicle and being interpreted as such, through your mind, and vessel and vehicle, therefore, even if there were hundred of thousands of sources coming directly at you at any time, which is more accurate than the reality that you currently perceive of, that you are an independent thought being, even if that were the case, which it in part is, it becomes part of your individuation the moment it arrives at you. You may divide and determine that the wisdom is from a tree or any other source, as suits or feels accurate or relevant to you, but it is more so and always more so the message that determines the importance of what is coming through as opposed to the source. The source no matter what it is called, what it looks like, what it's passed transmissions have sounded like, what it is currently doing or seeming as it to be, or calling itself, or that you can recognize as, is always secondary to the message that comes through, and your discernment is the only and final judge to what is relevant to you in your specific individuation and incarnation, there is no external source to that.

As you touched upon the topic of dreams if you like we will conclude with an explanation to perhaps a question that you did not ask or if you prefer and have another query we are happy to take that at this time.

Q07: I am curious what you would have to share on dreams.

V:[55:19 55:19 ] We were called to share that there are many different types of dreamscape, the majority of dreams, that you recall are you talking directly to yourself, they do not exist outside of your consciousness, your own individuation of consciousness, and all beings, objects and experiences, in the dreams can be interpreted by replacing all beings objects and experiences with oneself, very similar to that film with John Malkowich, it is literally you in all the roles and you in all the interpretations. This can then be transferred unto the waking state, and if you can see your waking state in the same way, you will understand your reality on a completely different level. And far closer to what reality actually is. There are also, other forms of dreams, that are communication from what you would call external sources or are not dreams at all but are [ astrotravel ,astral travels 56:30 56:30] to interact with what you would then call external sources, it is not always easy to determine which of these types and there are also many other types of dreams that you are experiencing, it is not easy to determine, but if you can hold these particular ideas of what dreams are as you are in your mind attempting to analyse, then you can have more insight into yourself and the current path that you are transversing or the current issues or learnings that you are choosing for yourself. [57:27 57:27]

Q: Thank you.
V: Thank you.

V: We feel there is one last thing. Did you have something that you wanted to say or ask ?
Q08: I guess I am curious to hear what is it that you get out of these interactions with us.

V: We would say in part it is what you would say enjoyment, there is an element of enjoyment, there is an element of service, however that is too connected with our enjoyment. There is the the sensation of fondness and love that we feel for you as a species, we do not often have that weeping heart sensation that would be understandable when observing your species, however we do recall the pain that was involved with that level of experience, or that is involved with that level of experience, and recalled is not quite the word, but there is an understanding, of how what you would call tragic and inutile, the entire way of your being is and if there is any small chance that our presence with you alleviates or shifts the balance of your experience towards the beauty of not having to live in that said chaos or conflict, any longer, and yes we are talking to you specifically, but also your entire planet, it is so simple, so unbelievably simple that we could not, not have jumped at the chance to make that impact.

We thank you for this question.

Q: Thank you so much.

V: We want you to know, that you are always always safe and that all those things that you suspect about yourself when you are really feeling into the beauty that you are are true, and you should allow yourself to never doubt that. Nothing ill will come from your security in that knowing.

We leave you with the light of a thousand suns. Anainai. [ 1:01:50 1:01:50]

[ Jessie returns, 18 minutes left on the recording]
------ rest is out of session discussion Jessie’s experience in and out of trance--
Conversation between Karissa and Jessie:
J: When I do it with my eyes open, it’s like it's weird coming out, it's really weird coming out, because ah it's so weird. I feel like...

Because like I am not fully out there is something weird, like here. It's so weird. [1:02:47 1:02:47]

K: Is it like solar plexus or just heart ?

J: No solar plexus more than heart like, maybe heart, there heart is higher, like here.
no here yeah, like a vaccum, maybe I just haven't noticed, other times but like a crushing vaccum thing. Yeah.

K: I wonder if, I wonder

J: Also because I was like half out of trance when I had to reaccept you into the thing, ( the zoom session) because my eyes were open so knew the screen went out, I knew, and then, but they didn't really, like the trance didn't end but somehow I still had like half command, like I don't know, like it was so weird.

K: ah ha ha I noticed that, like she is in half command, like uk

J: yeah Ok, How are you. god sorry.

K Ah I love hearing your experiences. oh, I love that every single one of these one on ones... also like in the beginning, like alisha, like you and I, I would cry, and so like they would say something just so touching.... ( next moved into discussion of Karissa reflecting about her session)