V: Good day and good now.

Q: Hello,

V: Hello

Q: I have been so looking forward to meet with you, yet at the same time, I feel a little anxious, like it's making myself vulnerable, and the space, and the meeting, sounds comfortable, but I would like to speak that to see if it helps me get my attention off any anxiety.

V: And what would be the problem with being vulnerable ?

Q: It just feels uncomfortable, in a yeah, vunerable is the only word that I can find. There is some feeling of not supposed to coming up, yet I know it's a choice.

V: Not supposed to ? do what

Q: Be vunerable, a share so much.

V: And why ?

Q: I don't know I feel like it's coming from my small self, like as a child being told to not do so that it's not appropriate, maybe, maybe around the age of 8, I am thinking that 6-8 something I don't know. But I feel of being told it's wrong to share in this way. Ah [sigh] but that's ok, because I am here.

V: Yes, and the ones who told you that are not.

Q: ah ha ha Thank You.[Laughter] [08:57 08:07]

Q: I am not even sure today where to begin with my discussion, I don't have any real set questions, but maybe it's a good time, when you told me the ones that told me that are not maybe it's good for me to mention the part about

Q01: I am still going through ah my emotions or how I feel with my relationship with my mother, and many ways in the physical universe I have cut her off, like I haven't communicated, and that feels ok to me, yet, the should idea is still sort of lingering at times, it feels a bit uncomfortable, trying to discern whether or I am angry still or whether I truly am working through this, or if I am stuck, if that makes sense. And I think it's just I don't know how to identify what I am feeling clearly, because it's, it's something I never felt before, if that makes sense.

V: [10:30 10:30] Yes, and if it is something you have never felt before then maybe it has no identification, for if you do not have a point of reference for this sensation, you cannot equate it to some other sensation, that you have had in the past, therefore it it entirely up to you to determine whether or not you will frame the sensation as positive or negative.
Perhaps what you are feeling is freedom.

Q: In many ways, yet that does fit.

V: And there may be some elements of other sensation that you are simply not accustomed to yet, if you evaluate them, solely on sensation, are you able to discern whether or not they feel good, to you ?

Q: Sometimes it's clear. Sometimes I ask myself if this is a 'should' , where is the expectation of me resolving things with her coming from. And my answer is just as this time, at least, not now. Then I get a little concerned that I am being mean, or defiant, and I think that it's because I don't know, the word otherwise is coming, I don't know how to feel otherwise, something about something being acceptable. So it, not yet is the closest I can get.

V: And that is fine. [12:26 12:26] We would say that a good way to discern, whether or not you are being what you call mean, or defiant, is to see if opposites of those come to naturally, for example if the opposite of mean is niceness, then if you spontaneously feel that you would like to be nice with a person, any person, and then choose to withhold the nicety that you spontaneously feel, then that would be what could be considered mean.
However, if nicety does not arise to you naturally, and then you apply that sort of behaviour onto a relationship or situation out of the sense of feeling it is required of you, then in the end, that is the action which is "most mean' for it is not true to you, it has not arisen spontaneously, it it not emotion and sensation and action that has come from a place that is actually in your heart. And so to contact someone on the telephone when one thinks that one should, is actually quite damaging to themselves and the relationship, and the other party, for or does not come from a true space of love. It comes from a distortion.
Many cannot sense this [ distortion[13:57 13;57, ( **the word 'distortion is pronounced incorrectly on recording**)] , however on a soul level it is always sensed by the person preforming it and received by the person receiving it, even if at a subtle level.

Your role in this relationship, and specifically at a time on you planet when it comes to relational exchange, is to purify all of your interactions, to the point that they are coming only from your own natural instinct, and only from your own natural heart space. We guarantee you that as you follow this instinct, and give yourself the time and permission to heal, any wounds or conditioning that has come into your mind based upon this relationship, or any other relationship, at some point or other, there will be a pull towards loving interaction with the other being, this will arise naturally, as you have healed, it will arise naturally as you have forgiven both yourself and otherself, and it will arise naturally, in the time in which it is perfect to arise, even if that seems like a long time, or seems in the space of what you would call too late, it is not the case. So for this particular topic we would say that you may allow yourself to go easier on yourself, and wait for the natural loving sensations to arise, if you are still holding anger for example, which is your doubt, you are afraid that you are not, lets say, not contacting this person out of anger, or defiance, well then your anger and defiance are absolutely justifiable, because they are what is, therefore they are not erroneous, there is not because there is something faulted in your perception, they are simply what needs to be experienced and held during this time of transition, for you have asked to heal and you have asked to be put yourself in a position where you are able to forgive.

When that time arrives, you will know. In the meantime, you may thank this other self, with your heart, for the role that they have chosen in your life, to be the temporary, for it is temporary, 'villain' to the story so that you have someone to have this sensation about.

In the end on the highest levels, those villains in our stories are the ones that love us the most for they have taken the cross to become the negative personification to catalyse our healing, but first you must go easier on yourself.[17:32 17:32]


Q: Thank you.

Q02; I have also noticed in my things of loving myself, and if you recall in our previous discussions,me doing things for myself and for my body, which are to parent myself, and to take care of the child who is defiant and what not, I am finding that since we talked, I am aware of those things and sometimes I do them successfully and sometimes I don't, yet I notice that there is an exhaustion often present, about it, so I am wondering, this is sort of a different question but it intertwined, I am wondering if I feel like a lack of motivation, to do these things that I feel I have the intention to do, but like am I carrying some sort of depression or whatever because there are times when I wake I don't feel this heaviness and then I'll have a bout of time, that I will feel that there is a heaviness I need to push through, so I am wondering is it, that I just don't bother or is it it feels difficult to me so I'm, I have noticed at the end of the day, I wasn't as successful as I would have liked to be, or set out to be. And that was one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you because I wondered, like am I carrying some kind of heaviness or depression, that stops my inspired motivations, and I don't want to sound convoluted, I just don't know how else to express what I am feeling or seeing in the experience of getting to the the new freer me in this, in the child being at a better place than just not eating properly or not going to sleep when tired or whatever. I hope this makes sense.


V: [20:06 20:06 Yes, you are carrying a habit taught to you, conditioned into you when you were young, and that it is to use every possible situation and circumstance to punish yourself, of to start out with a good intention but then to turn it into something to feel bad about yourself with, as you take on the experience of caring for yourself, you must remember that it is equally important to care for the caretaker, this is a spiral, and if you are disappointed with the caretaker, for how well it is caring for the you, that you have determined you have to care for, it is again a cycle of self abuse, where you are saying, you see I did not even get enough done, to take care of myself, you can release all form or negative self talk, and striving, that is not necessary, and you may dissociate, yourself temporarily to the idea that you are the equivalent of a small animal, or child completely helpless and that even the one that is taking care of the child is a completely helpless child, at some point, if you keep seeing the innocence in each of your actions, and keep seeing the innocence in the actions related to the actions, we are not sure that this is transmitting in words, but we feel that you will receive, then at some point, all you will see is innocence, and the heavier sensations that you are feeling throughout the day, that provoke you into actions that you would not choose, are there because it is a two-fold process, you are in a healing journey where you are letting go of much pain that was accumulated, and with which you identified and because you have not yet learnt the behavior to substitute that soothes that child or that pain in that moment, so perhaps you reach for food that is always been comfortable, to you you, as opposed to what has been considered healthy, but is it only because that is a habit that has worked in the past to make you feel slightly better, as we have said in the past, if one needs for now to have a piece of chocolate, to feel better, then there is nothing wrong with a piece of chocolate, what is wrong, or what can be damaging is to have the piece of chocolate you are in your journey perfect, the sooner you realize that all of your journey is part of the perfection, and you did use the term defiant child again so we are aware that you have not yet, made peace with this inner being, who is not defiant. It is confident or it is determined. What you have to, or are invited to do is to start to see how beautiful that child is if only it had one being who believed in it, and that is you. So defiant becomes determined, vulnerable becomes compassionate, and there are many other conversions of words of thought patterns that you could begin to apply to yourself, so again here go easy on yourself. Imagine yourself to really need you at this time, because you do, you have to be your own ally, your own parent, and yes there will be feelings that come up, that it is not fair, and it should not have to be this way, and it's true and it's perfect this way. Because this is what you wanted, and when you come out the other side of this project, you will be absolutely solid. And all it takes is seeing that you already are.

Q: Thank you.
V: Thank you. [27:02 27:02]

Q03: So I have noticed in, I have to figure out how to phrase this, I have noticed after an incident I had a few weeks ago, I was in a vehicle collision, and I had a friend of mine coach me, and it was a coaching session where they only asked questions and I reflected back on the situation for clarity. And at the time I thought I saw it very clear what happened, and I saw the purpose for it, whatever, and then afterward, it ended up being what I thought was very different than what actually occurred. So it almost, it put me in a place of, shock is too strong a word, but I was very surprised that I thought that I had seen it to clarity, and what actually happened was something else, and I looked at that, and wondered like how can I trust myself in my decision that things, that I am seeing things clearly. And I can see that they would be different viewpoints or scenarios, but since then I've sort of felt some doubt on me trusting myself that way, ca you help me with that, to sort that out somehow if that makes sense ?

V: Yes, we would like to know how you have determined what [29:35 29:35 ?? actually happened ]

Q: Well it was so called they had a video or what happened in the accident, and what I thought I recalled and what I actually recalled was different which is fine, but what I am recalling is my interaction, my interaction with people on site, my interaction with people in the other vehicle, I thought I had seen and communicated clearly and I thought I had seen what was happening, but when I saw the video and it was very different than my memory then I doubted my whole interaction, like as what I thought was accurate was totally inaccurate or unclear when I thought it was clear. It's not about whether I was correct or incorrect to me, it's just I thought in the coaching session I got to a point of clarity and I saw clear, and then afterwards I said, well that wasn't clear at all. That was, you were wrong and you didn't get, what you thought you got, if that makes sense.

V: It does but we feel like there is an aspect of this that perhaps was a deeper or wider teaching then you are perceiving of at this time. For in the moment of the incident, you had one perspective, later in another moment, you had another perspective or believed that you had a clarity on what had happened, and in a future moment you had a video recount of what had happened, that was not matching with either of the other two - is this correct ?

Q: It's close enough, yes, yeah.

V: Yes, we would like to remind you of parallel timelines, at this point and that the veil of reality is thinning and that because of this thinning of the veil of reality, or the veil over your consciousness, is thinning you will be reminded as many will be, and we believe that this is the case, of what has happened in your particular situation, that the only moment or reality that of experience [32:20 32:20] that is real, is the one that is being presented directly in front of you. Therefore if at the time of the coaching call you are remembering something that happened, what you are actually remembering is nothing at all because nothing ever happened, you are inventing a memory in that moment, as you are doing in this moment of an incident, that you think you remember happened but in reality you are creating the memory in this moment, or in the moment of the coaching call, for example, which you are now remembering in this moment ?

At the time that you watched the video and you saw that it did not match with your memory of what had happened, you did not remember that you were creating the memory of what had happened. It was a creation no matter whether or not it was accurate because even the video was not accurate for it was not in the moment, you were creating the video in the moment that you were watching it.

Yes we know that this makes interaction on a 'real' plane a little bit more complicated but it is up to you as a being who is now stepping into this multidimensional reality, to be able to understand how to manage the multidimensional of reality within the matrix of reality and survive it without obviously telling everyone that you are multidimensional and that their perception is no longer valid, because your perception is more valid and they do not exist.

Q: [laughter]

V: Which is the case, we do not exist, you do not even exist, however, there is a game to be played. The easiest way to process and let go of the doubt that has arisen because of this discord between memory and not memory is to simply understand that that what you were being taught with this lesson was nothing to do with your interactions, or whether or not you can recall properly, it was that you must, or are being invited to, begin to let go of linear reality in the way you were accustomed to believing that it exists, and therefore if you had already let go of linear reality when you saw the video and it was not a match with what you recalled or what you had thought you had processed, you would very swiftly go 'oh, how interesting' and that would be the end of the discord within you, for it would simply be an interesting example of how things are not linear. You would then accept your current actual reality, and make any adjustments to your current actual reality that were necessary at the time, for example if you found yourself to have screamed at a woman in the video, but you had remembered being calm and collected, the video showing you that you had screamed at the woman, you would perhaps say, 'oh wow, I apologize for having screamed at you', it doesn't not mean that in the original transpiring of events that is what happened, but it doesn't mean in your current now, that is what happened, however there is no happened, there is only happening, so you go from moment to moment from where you are now, if you have evidence in front of you of having done something, 'evidence' for it is obviously not you in the video, for it is an image of you. Then you may make the most loving decisions in this moment from what information you have in this moment, and if it is not in synchronicity with the records [ ***interestingly, record(s) is how the word records is pronounced***] , the memories in your mind, then that is not an issue, for your are fortunate enough to be able to remember, to 'separate' timelines. You have shifted to the one in which things transpired differently than they had in the original timeline, which you were on. Perhaps it was because of the coaching call, and the lessons which you 'learned' at that time, that your timeline shifted to go 'Wow' she has upgraded, we may as well give her the lesson # 2, at the same time.

Q: [laughter]

V: Again we say, don't be so hard on yourself, and yes it is prudent to move with caution when things become less linear, if only because you cannot truthfully be sure of anything. So humility arises very naturally where you do not take anything on faith, you simply move from moment without placing any sort of emphasis or importance upon anything that has or hasn't transpired in the last, or anything that may or may not transpire in the future.
You become very present, and learn to rely on the magic of what is in your circumference.

Q: Beautiful, Thank you. [37:51 37:51]

Q: This has given me clarity and also confirmed some things,

V: We are glad, we do not like to hear when you, as in you, in many of you or any of you have doubt within yourself, for it is really the only point of reference that is consistent.
Yes, doubt your beliefs, and doubt your thoughts and doubt your actions or reactions, doubt your conditioning, but to doubt yourself, in the way that we sensed was implying, is not comfortable for us. If only because we believe that the lesson presented to you was too let go of thought and memories and conditioning etc, for you will be much freer without them, and now you have any example as to why they do not actually serve you.

Q: uh hmm, Thank you.


V: We understand and empathize with your confusion at the time for it is not easy to step into non linearity.

Q: Yes, and I did see at the the time that they were different viewpoints, of the same thing from different perspectives, and even an eye witness there who said to me, what I had thought I had seen in the beginning was that third party that I did not mention, I forgot at the time I spoke [***when the question was asked**] but it did show itself to me as viewpoints from different vantages and such, so I am very grateful I have asked this question. Thank you.

V: Thank you.

Q: And it does clarify on any concern of doubt very nicely, thank you. [40:14 40:14]


Q04: I think, I'll mention that I have noticed in conversations, with others, that sometimes, I'll make a comment on social media or whatever, sometimes in discussions, but I will make a comment, they will make a comment about something that seems to be an arbitrary thing, not an important thing. And I will make a comment to one and then it has happened several times, that I will come back and say, 'No this is not what we are talking about at all and you are almost changing the topic to something else, so I am very curious as to why that keeps coming up to show me. I really, I think my attention is on the fact of , am I misunderstanding things ? Or is it just I have a different viewpoint ? It's a curiosity at this point, but if there is something that you can share to give me or point me of give me some clarity, that would be helpful because obviously I'm creating these things, for a reason.

V: You are creating them because you have an insecurity to this topic. You are insecure that you're point of view is valid or important, or appreciated and so when you are giving your point of view, you are getting this push back to show you this insecurity, it is coming from you and simply being reflected. Now the other self does not know that this is what they are reflecting. But is it not real, it doesn't not happen to others. In exactly the same way, someone else can change a topic completely and everyone goes 'Wow, that is profound, do they not ?'

Q: Often yes.

V: Yes, so the only reason this push back in coming back on you in the way that it is, and making your feel uncomfortable and insecure is because that uncomfortably and insecurity, was there in the first place and is asking to be let go. Otherwise, it would not appear, or perhaps the push back would appear, but you would not feel bad about it, you would just go 'Oh, ha ha you are right I was changing the topic' silly me, and it wouldn't be an issue, if it were the case, for example.

Q: Thank you.

V: We suggest that you own your understanding, for even if you are not understanding the conversation that someone else is proposing, it is not necessarily for you to understand their conversation, whatever is being inspired though you and added to that conversation is then for them to understand. Or not, it is their choice. There are those who have unique perspectives, like you said, who see things differently, who if not talking do not add what is meant to be added though them to the world, for it will not be the cliche response, and even if it is for example misunderstood, it is something that is added enough to the conversation, to trigger the other person into saying 'that has nothing to do with it' and it is not appropriate here, for example, because if that other being was not triggered, and wanting to heal something within themselves, of course they would not have responded at all. So you have faith in your instinctual sharing, and attempt, and we know this is difficult for you, as humans in general lets say, but attempt not to worry to much as to whether or not your contribution is important, for it is, otherwise you would not exist in the formation that you exist in, and try not to worry too much about whether or not people see you in a certain way, or on another way, for the sooner that you can be actually vunerably [ Gail, (name used)-edit note] the sooner you will be seen as you are and then the people who are meant to gravitate towards you and see your unique gifts and see how they can have a contract with you, for shared expansion will come to you, but if you are attempting to make everyone like you, for example, or feel a certain way about you, then you true calling or true gifts will not be on display for those who truly do need you. So share and allow them to tell you it is not the right thread, and let it be.

Q: Thank you. Thank you. [46:01 46:01]

[46:07 46:07]

Q05: I have noticed,like I have spent some time in meditation just because of
our last experience was discussing about how I wasn't doing meditation, in a routine, I forget the piece but it was important to me that I did put time in regularly to do so. And I have noticed over the last, well since we talked, that my meditations seem different, not that I am trying to make them a certain thing, but I have often wondered, like am I broken on meditation, like is it like sometimes I cannot quiet my mind, or I just get distracted or it doesn't always go that way, but I am just wondering why I am feeling like they are just not going as deep as usually or as easeful or something, if you can point me in any direction, there.

V: Yes, there is no goal of meditation, aside from the stilling of the regular activity, if when you find yourself in meditation, there are excessive use of the mind, then we suggest converting the attempt of meditation to be simply following the mind, and if that means spending a half hour thinking intently, and allowing yourself to be carried away with thought then we would suggest them to allow yourself to be carried away with thought, for sooner or later, they will run out.

Q: ha hee ha

V: There is only so much that you can allow into your mind, in terms of thought before the part of you that is not thinking, says wait a minute, this is all gibber jabber, because it is.
Now we know that it is difficult at times to disassociate with thought, and that is fine, so again, go easy on yourself, and simply stay without judging that you are "broken" or not good at meditation, with the quieting time, and if it aids you to relabel it as contemplation, instead of meditation, then go ahead and do that, stay with it, so that you have the opportunity if the part of you that is not the mind, decides to take hold, and say ok enough now, that is not up to you, it is not you who is meditating, it is you who sets the intention, as the mind, to meditate, and then whatever happens from there, is up to your higher self, or higher being, or god, or whatever term you would like to use for it, and whatever happens from that point is absolutely perfect, so if it is you thinking about things that have happened in the past, or what you need to do in the future, you say to each of those thoughts, ok, you can be here. And we promise you, they will not stay very long, for they are only checking in if they are allowed, and they are allowed, because they are here, they just want you to know that they are allowed. Which is why they are so present and attacking you and making you feel uncomfortable, or even your body at times perhaps there is an itch or it's uncomfortable, or you need to shift in your seat, these are all, attention seeking tools, that are simply you unwinding, so allow yourself to unwind, do not place expectations on what will happen in meditation, simply allow yourself the time, and if it really ends up with you creating an entire recipe for a chocolate cake,

Q: ah ha ha

V: [50:48 50:48] Well then go and make a chocolate cake afterwards and enjoy the cake and you will have spent a productive 30 minutes, because otherwise you would not have had that recipe in your mind.

Q: ha ha heee , ok Thank you.

Q06 - That brings me to another question on meditation then.

So, one of our teachers has taught a lot about purifying the I-Am, and I know that I have so called followed the process and found it effective and I am very grateful for it, but like what is actually being done in that process, is this just a concept or is it a focal point just in terms of our discussion just now, is nothing in particular has to happen in meditation, when we are doing this purifying of the I-Am, what is occurring if I may ask ?

V: [ 52:02 52:02] Yes, you may, the I-Am has no need for purification, there is no more pure or perfect state than what is, and so it cannot be purified, the concept that you are pointing to is perhaps an incentive for the mind, to apply itself to a goal or an end goal that will in some way trick it into doing what we discussed earlier, which is quieting itself, at some amount, for if mind has the goal of being quiet because it thinks it is the best state to be in, if that same mind does not then berade itself for not being quiet, and yet applies much dedication to that quieting, or in this case, purification then perhaps the goal of being quiet will be achieved sooner, however, it is not necessary and there is no actual goal.

The I-Am state or reality that is being referred to here, has no goals, it simply is, it simply is and cannot be changed or purified, the only thing that can be in theory changed or purified, or altered, or modified, are the mind personality complex,and the body, beyond that there is no control from the person level, the person can only tinker with the person, so you can imagine that one is tinkering with I-Am, however it is not possible, for the I-Am is the one that is pulling all the strings and making all the choices, there is no reaching backwards, in this way.

Yes, you can begin to identify with the I-Am, that is what, what is called enlightenment is when one is no longer identified with the personality, but in that state there is no action. There is no interaction, it is always the personality mind complex and body, that is here on this plane, so you can zoom out and experience the person from the I-Am but the I-Am does not have any intention even. It is the perfection of all that is, and perhaps it is possible to imagine that is has individuation, which is fine, but it is the observer of the person from that individuation, so, there is no need to purify, and then if one does begin to zoom back, or out, or into nothing, and identify with the I-Am over the person, then yes, the personality complex with naturally shift to reflect that.

Q: uh huh

V: But this is not a doing of the person, this is a natural shift to reflect the no longer striving or needing or healing or forgiving or anything that this particular entity has now taken on by identifying more with that higher version, than they do with the personality, [56:02 56:02] So, we believe that the teacher if proposing a concept to it's students in order to motivate them from where they are, which if one is teaching this concept, they must believe that their students are very much in a personality complex range, and have the desire to reach past that. But once one actually does reach past that, there is no desire. And therefore nothing to purify.

We hope this was clear or satisfactory.


Q: Oh yes it is. Thank you. [56:58 56:58]

Q07: So sort of on a similar topic then, we had talked about how I, in the analogy of the tree, that I previously when we talked, see myself as a branch rather than the whole tree. The all that is, and I have just been I will say 'contemplating' for lack of a better word, just to put my attention there to see this and experience this more, I am just wondering if you can speak on, how I am doing with it, or how to maybe point me somewhere with it, I think it's the newness, of this exploration that I'm, the curiosity is coming from, yeah, there is no real question I am just going to say how I am doing but that's not really my question. I am very curious about this, I am very curious about every question I have spoken, both private and public session about you know expanding my gifts, and you know non verbal, non physical communication and what not, and so I am very interested in wanting to delve in it, but it's so unknown, it's like I am looking at it and wondering how do I approach that ? Does this make any sense ?

V: Yes. We will say that for you, there is the benefit of having social interactions, that will grate upon you, and if you can use these social interactions, in the way that we will outline now, you will be able to very swiftly understand more of the nature of oneness, and at the same time, expand your gifts, and so the next time that you feel any form of irritation, anger, or blaming of another self, we suggest that you see that other self literally as if they were a mirror, but with a level of self compassion, so the concept of a mirror often draws up ideas that what I see on the outside world is a reflection of me, and since I don't like what's on the outside world, I must be bad, et cetera, et cetera, this is not the case. We would like you, to attempt to see into the other being and place yourself, place your consciousness behind their eyes and look out of it, and absorb the truth of the fact that if you had the circumstances that they have had, up until this moment in time, in the exact same order, interacting with the exact same people, then you would be acting in the exact same way that they currently are with you, and then in that moment, realize how profound it is, that there is even the possibility of having and interaction with this other version of you in this way, that in this moment, in this existence, of all the interactions, or experiences that could have been had, you have bumped up against this other person, specifically to show you something that you are not fully accepting of, it may be their arrogance, it may be the way they blow their nose, it may be the fact that they don't think the same thing that you do. It could be anything, but whatever it is, it is spotlighted by the fact that you do not like it, and if you are not liking it, it means that you have not yet accepted it in yourself as this other person, or even in yourself, for if you displayed the same exact characteristics, you would dislike yourself as well. So you are constantly being shown where it is you can open up to more acceptance, where it is you can let go of judgement more, where it is you can forgive more, where it is that you can blossom into the loving self you truly are, and it is with deep gratitude to each being that comes upon your path that irritates you or that angers you or that makes you feel sad, that you can really begin to love another as yourself, and we will say that this will open up your gifts. For your communication will become clearer, because you will know exactly what that being is feeling and wanting and needing in that moment and you will be able to deliver on that. [1:03:13 1:03:13]

Q: Thank you.

V: Do you have a last question or query ?

Q: I think I am going to ask a question, I had a couple but that's fine, one is just perfect.
I had a question on,

Q08: A lot of this disclosure stuff and things that is going on, I have seen a little bit of it, it's something that I am not have a great interest in, but I am wondering, is it actually purposeful to expose yourself to such things, is it something that you have to, like I am going to say be schooled on, but that's just to summarize it, like if you never look at it does that make any difference than if you dive into it and you get into every aspect of it, is there something here that I am, it keep coming up to me to be shown, I may agree or disagree on what is being shown to me, but is it something I need to walk through to advance ? Not necessarily just be but anybody, or is it just another game within the game.

V: There is no need to walk through anything to advance, you are always advancing, and yes it is a game within the game but so is everything else, so as you are choosing your games we suggest always to check the end motive for choosing this specific game that you are choosing, in the particular reference, it would be difficult to find a motive that was not based upon fear, for if you do not dive into these things, what do you think might happen ?

Q: I think my concern is avoiding or not looking at something because I don't want to confront it, to me as the old saying goes, you do not need to burn your hand in a flame to have the experience of what feeling burned looks like, if you look at the candle, and you are like 'Geez that's hot' and move away from it, you have learned not to go near it. So I am wondering, like is it, you said we don't have to go through anything, now I have lost my question sorry.

V: That's alright, we just want to point, because we think it will be of use for any further questions of this nature, to the fact that if one is doing something because the end goal is to avoid something negative, then that is not a good reason to be doing the thing that they are doing, for example, You were stating that you would only interact with these types of information because you had a fear of not confronting something that needed confronting, but that is a fear, so, you are avoiding something by interacting with this other thing.

However there will be people who feel drawn to something, whether it be, this topic or any other topic and feel good when they are interacting with the thing, and it is not fear based, it is based upon some other motivation, however if that is not the case for you, we do not suggest interacting with anything that the end goal is in order to prevent something that has not yet happened. So if you are interacting with this information for fear of not knowing the information in the future should need be that you know it, then no we would suggest that it is absolutely unnecessary to know any of the information that is being proposed to you, and we do feel that at this time, many are interacting with the information from this standpoint. Because they are trying to prepare themselves, or they have a fear of what may occur if they did not know the information, however we assure you that each and every one of you is protected at all times and even if you did not have information that you needed at the time that you needed it, sooner or later you would know that you needed to need it and at that point everything would be unfolding perfectly anyhow and so there would be no issue, but you would have saved yourself all of the stress and damage accumulated during the time that you were trying to inform yourself, about such topics in the case that they might be necessary in the future. They may never be necessary, timelines are shifting all the time.

All it takes is for it to start raining frogs and everyone forgets everything.

Q: ha ha

V: Remember that not only is it inadvisable to predict the future, it is also unnecessary and that the only moment that has any relevance is now. So if it suddenly feels good to plant yourself a garden, then plant yourself a garden without thinking too much of it, and if it suddenly feels good to read an article, then read an article without thinking too much of it.
But there is no need for any of it. Information will not save you for there is nothing to be saved from. [1:10:06 1;10:06]

Q: Thank you this had really helped me balance and I just feel at a better point with clarity since we talked, thank you so very much.

V: Wonderful. And so we leave you with all of our gratitude. And love and the light of a thousand suns - Anainai

Q: Goodnight. [1:10:42 1:10:42]

[ Jessie returns] End of Transcription.