V: [05:08 We welcome you all tonight, we are pleased you are here with us, we are especially pleased, that the vessel who is wrestling with us, quite a lot this evening, is allowing, in part is it because we are in such a fun and jovial mood, that we are sending images that she is not wanting to transmit with Barnum and Bailey circus music,

[ Laughter]

V: only because we find it entertaining, and would like to take some seriousness away from what is seeming very serious, or a very serious nature in all of you, when there is in reality nothing serious, we would like to remind you if something seems serious, it is only because you have forgotten that is it what you have asked for, and are therefore forgetting to celebrate it.

Only what you could have cause for celebration, afterwards, could seem serious during, but it is because you are not allowing your imagination to take you to all those places, where what is serious now, has it's best possible outcome, and that best possible outcome is the exact outcome you had been hoping for, or wishing for or choosing for, for that is what it is.

And now, we will open the first act, of this three ring circus,

[Laughter]

and allow you to take the spotlight,

Host: so we have the first question from the group,
Thijs would you like to ask your question ?

[08:44 8:44] Q01: Thijs:Yeah, I wanted to have your perspective on what is the most direct way to an entity to become fully balanced ?
V: Well that would mean that you would believe that you are not already fully balanced,or as if there was some [ form??09:16 09:16] or version, that was better than the form or version that you are currently in, or that there was some change that you as an individuation, needed to make before you were fulfilling some requirement, to arrive or achieve at some state that was then 'mertiable', of, we unaware of meritable is also english word, we are worthy would be the english word, worthy of some sort of reward for having achieved, this said balance, if that would be the case, then holding the idea of needing to achieve some sort of balance, is one of the contributing factors, to being out of balance in any way, to begin with, and therefore we would say the fastest way would be to let go of that concept, that there is something to balance, for there is not, there would be no existence if it was not perfectly in balance, or perfectly equilibrated, to be exactly as it is, one cannot know the function that they are having, or the impact they are having, or the purpose that they are serving by not being ( quote/unquote 'inbalance' or by existing within this plane of reality, in the exact manner that they are doing so, in order to influence of impact another. or another portion of self, and we will come back to one of our most common statements, or most common topics, themes, and that would be the realizing that 'all is one', or the realizing that, one is only feeling separate from the all, when one is choosing to separate themselves from the all, for the integration with the all is the resolution of all that is, the all that is is the resolution of all that is, there it nothing that is out of balance,

[12:09
Q: Right, that's it. Thank you.

Host: James I believe you have a question.12:18 12:18]

Q: Thank you, thanks Gail

Q02: James Witts: My question is regarding free will and what we understand in healing, that people must make a choice within, to recieve, to allow that change, I would like to talk about, I would like you to talk about how in partnership in relationship my understanding is there is a disparity with that where, free will,is, I don't know whether to say it is always given, or that you doesn't need to actually make a choice when you are in a relationship with another person, and you have those skills, those awarenesses, of connection to higher consciousness and what comes through there, and also, with regards to children when they are brought along, like newborns, babies, Can you talk about that please ?

V: Is the specific question, how to not infringe upon free will of other selves, or what is the nature of free will, or what is the question specifically, or topic specifically on what you would like us to talk ?

Q: Right so, Free will as a healer you know people must come to you make a choice within to come to you to receive whatever you have to offer and to make the choice to change within themselves,, my understanding is when you are in partnership, for example, when you are lying on the couch and you feel direction given,there doesn't actually need to be that choice from the partner, that they may be half asleep or something like that, it doesn't have to be that choice when in partnership, you are not infringing on free will, by working on them, by working on what is guided, to do, and then the same with children, are you infringing on that free will when the parent brings a child to you, but the child is not really conscious enough to make the choice of that understanding of such, so it's about the infringement of free will and the lines drawn there.[15:02 15:02]

V: Yes, in this case you can never actually infringe on free will in any case, or any situation, for the higher self of each being is looking out for the being itself, and has an overview upon and of the situation that is higher or more encompassing than the healer, and the individual being healed, whether it is psychological, emotional or physical, in this case, therefore, you can also have a person who comes to you as a patient, or as a client, as a healing, patient or client who truly does want to heal, on the personal level, but on the higher self level, or on the soul blue print level, does not want to heal and therefore their free will will respect the free will of the higher self, it is not actually possible to infringe upon free will for every experience that is currently occurring in the 'all that is' has already been approved by the contract between the two individuals, before and during the contract being approved upon, for it could not exist, the existence of the actual experience could not be, that there not be had there not been a agreement between the two parties, or the multiple parties, for that experience to occur, what we are trying to say is, is that there are many levels of the game of existence that are all occurring simultaneously, and anything that is, already is because it is approved upon, so if your partner is lying on the couch, and is unwell and you have chosen based upon your free will to perform some sort of healing ceremony upon them,whether or not this will be effective, will be based upon the free will of the partner who is asleep and not aware of this happening, at the time, for their higher self of inner being is never actually asleep, and is always conscious, of what is happening what may happen however is that, the person may awake, and may say 'hey you are preforming a healing ceremony on me, without my consent, and this will then create some sort of situation in your relationship that would then be the catalyst, towards some sort of direction, that would not have [gone in 17:18 17:18] had that not happened.

This also is part of the shared free will between the two of you, you will have been surprised by this situation occurring because you will be thinking to yourself, well I was just healing her, or him, and your partner will be thinking this was on my consent, however on a higher level your two higher beings or your unified higher being has already and simultaneously, as this action is occuring, as there is no time decided upon, the sequence of events that would lead you towards the catalyst, of having this argument, healing or not had nothing to do with it, free will is always in effect. With regards to children, is it the same case, there are children who are taken to an energy healer, the same way that there are children who are taken to a doctor, the same way there are children that are forced to eat their brussel sprouts, these are not infringements upon free will for the child knew coming into the parent child relationship, that they would be forced to do certain things, based upon the configuration of the parent at that time, and even taking it to the extreme of abuse, there is not actually an infringement upon free will, for the contracts of abuser and abusee have been organized before the or before is the incorrect term of course because we are we are talking about things that do not happen within time, but happen in this now moment, and can be changed, but once occurred or occurring, cannot, it is a illusion, we feel like we are speaking on many different levels, and we are wondering if we are comprehensible,

Host: yes.
Q: Yes. Understand.

V: We will continue then. The more extreme levels of abuse, are also not infringement of what is called free will for the free will is always in existence and this comes back to the concept that there is no will but the one will. So all that is, is all that is. Ones personal free will, is, illusory, but also, an intrinsic part of the free will of the all, so any role that one is playing one can believe, that they have control over which they do and we will again say that it is all in your choosing, but it is all in your choosing because you are the ultimate free will and by your choosing, we mean, the free will of all, the direction which this sort of pondering will take you, will eventually bring you to the understanding that you are the all and not the individual and simultaneously the individual, and therefore well everything.

On a personal level, you question comes to, and it is because we say this, because we recall the last question, or an earlier question that you posed to us, about this same topic where you have a belief that you could in some way do harm to another by not respecting their free will or by not upholding something of that nature, but you will notice, that the easiest way to maintain a integrity with free will, will be to communicate openly, about your intentions, and allow for other people to have their process, it is possible that you have a distortion knowing that you can heal wanting everyone to heal, but many people have a need for their own process. Or their own time, or their own experience, in order to get to a level of healing that is far more significant for their blueprint than the one that you could potentially offer in the shorter term and by short term we mean in this lifetime.

Has this answered the question ?

Q: It has very much so, thank you.
V: Thank you.
[22:08 22:08]

Host: Ok, just a reminder to the participants, if you have a question, please place it in the chat, send a message, that you want to ask a question, you don't have to include the question.

Q03: Gail: I will ask this question, believing that you have spoken on it before, yet it seems to be pertinent to ask again, feels a collective question, rather than my individual question, in terms of fact we are all creators, and that we create things in a vibrational sense, in our beingness, and in the sense that we create things in the physical universe, like an artist may create a painting or you may create what you want to eat for a meal, Can you speak on if there is differences between those creation flows or anything you have to share on that topic.

V: The question is not entirely clear,

Q:Yeah, I think it is, there it is some sense of we get confused between the fact that our essence from our heart, we the fact that we can create in terms of a physical universe. Is it different, or is it a different flow, Is it a different meaning of creation.

V: The question is still not clear

Q: Ok

V: We would like to know do you mean physical creations, as in 'I have created a sandwich', and non physical creations, as in something more metaphysical. is that the question ?

Q: yes, yeah somewhere there.

V: There is nothing that distinguishes a sandwich from a spaceship, or from the perspective of finding love of your life,or from many form of anything, we do not see any difference in any form of creation, we do not see any difference in value, between any of the creations, in the same way that you do, for we like that show that you have, you have shows where people bake the wrong thing,

[Laughter- Vagrein is referring to ' Masterclass - The Great British Baking Show' which the questioner watches, this has never been discussed]

These judgements that you put upon your creations, are only yours, creation does not judge them, if they are, they are wanted, herein lies your power of creation, knowing that every expression that you are is your creation. There is nothing you have to do, in your life, to be more of a creator, to create more, to create something more special, or improve upon your creation , the existence that you are, is your creation, you are the gift, you are the sculpture and you are the sculptor, it is fractal,you are fractal, you are created by yourself, by yourself, by yourself, by yourself, and your creations, are created, by you and by you and by you, and there is far too much judgement, ha ha ha,

[Laughter]

We don't know if our humor translates, we are laughing because we said too much and that is a judgement, We will leave it at that.

Q: Thank you it answers very nicely.
V: Thank you.

Host: Karissa I believe you have a question. You can go ahead.

Q: Ok, My question is regarding ah, like when if you can explain when one can be realistic, we, you and I, had a conversation where we talked about money, and I think it was on the topic of credit cards, and I was curious because I think you might have used the word or term realistic, or that is what stuck with me, and so my question right now, is have you, is that what you meant, to reference current reality, at times, or another way of saying this question, is, ha ha how does one know when to reference their current reality versus say the limitlessness of who they are, is that a sufficient question for you.


V: Yes we think that you can reference your reality, or at least honor, your reality at any time, it feels fit, and reference the infinite nature of all you are, at the same time, reality or what you are calling reality, we prefer the word realistic, because realistic implies that it is like what is real or maybe a better word would be realist-ish, to

Q: [laughter]

V: reference both simultaneously would alleviate stress while allowing one to remain or not remain because we believe that stress does not allow you any form of groundness in the first place. But it would allow one to play the game based upon the rules that are set up in the game, at least for now, and we would like to have you note out your windows that the game, is very rapidly changing now, we are not sure if you are noticed, there is a very rapid change occurring, but if you are to play a game, and your refuse to play by the rules of the game, of to respect them or learn to bend them which you can, we have spoken of the ability to bend the game in the past, but if you refuse to stay in the game, during the game, well, things will be not fun to play. so we suggest doing both, and we would also like you to note and all those who listen to this with similar questions, that there is a habit or a tendency or a predisposition for one who is in discomfort to find any manner of escaping from discomfort and using even spiritual concepts and terms to escape from their discomfort, without actually diving deep into those terms and concepts to the point where they are transcendal, [32:26 32:26] of the discomfort itself, and are therefore being used as a shield, or an excuse or a crutch as to not to actually look at the discomfort on the first place. We say that this term of financial security, or insecurity happens often and there is the potential for one to hide behind 'well none of this is real', in order to not have to address how real they feel it is in the first place, for if you knew it wasn't real, you wouldn't have to hide behind 'none of this is real', you would just go ahead and play the game by the rules, there would be no discomfort, not need to transcend it, this is not just this topic, it is all topics, if there is a need to transcend the self, or a need to transcend or back to the earlier question, to balance something, it is because there is a perception that that need to be done, which means that the very term of the very spiritual concepts that one is learning, to be able to transcend or balance are not actually being applied in the way that they have been pointed to, they are not being applied because the teachings themselves, say there is nothing to do, none of this is real, there is nothing to worry about, if none of it was real and there was nothing to worry about this question would not exist. but, as there is discomfort, it is real, for now, for you, so the exercise would be to relax into both being true, and there will be times like you said where it feels better to interact with what needs to be done, in the way that the rules have laid out, and times when it feels better to not do so, but there is no hero or herodom in transcending something that is real for you. For that is not true transcendence. And allowing yourself the compassion and beauty and grace and support of being with what is, until there is no longer the need to worry about [35:22 35:22] whatever topic it is, that is concerning you is the true work, if there was work to be done, which there isn't.

Does this help you at this time.

Host: Karissa, ( She appears absent to answer)
Q: yes it does.

[ pause]
Host: we are presently waiting for some more questions.

Q05 Gail :I will ask the question of, when you mentioned the three ring circus, and having having fun and laughter and not being serious. Do you have any suggestions of things that can help in times of seriousness that can help us ease it, other than throwing water balloons at one another. ha ha ?

V:Yes well, remember that times of seriousness are your choice,no matter what circumstances is saying, there is way to perceive of anything, as the welcome gift that it is, there is the possibility to do so, if there is not within your range of tools, at the moment that seeming that non-preferred circumstance or situation arrives at your doorstep. One can turn to their favorite forms of entertainment is not the word, their favorite forms of self soothing, and remember that is 80yrs time you will be dead anyway,
[Laughter]

So no matter what happens within the next year or so, it will all be over soon. And nothing you could do, worrying or stressing or fretting about it, will change that of course this also simultaneously goes against many of the discourses we have had in the past because we are talking on the level of one who is in a moment feeling serious, not in the level of one who is feeling completely expansive, and therefore knows that death is not a end, or et cetera, et cetera.

But yes it will all be over or at least this version will be over, or at least you will know more or less, at some point. Yes we like your dark humor at times,

[ Laughter]
and remember you have asked for what is arriving when it is serious. You have not asked for perhaps, the circumstance itself but you surely have asked for the outcomes of it, so we say just wait, hold on, be patient, this will only hurt for a moment, because on the other end of everything that has ever happened to you in the past, that has been negative, it has brought you to the moment you are in. It was absolutely necessary. We don't even like circuses.

[ ha ha]


Q: I am curious why you sung tunes, circus tunes to vessel if you do not like circuses.

V: Just to make her crazy.

[Laughter]

Q06: [40:33 40:33] Gail: I know that the Vessel living in an area, that is in a state of lets say, contraction about this virus, which is on our planet,. do you have anything to share on that topic that you have not already ?

V: No.

Q: Ok, we will go to another question.

Host: James you can ask your question now.

Q07: Oh yes, thank you in Karissa's question I think you did answer this a lot and you mentioned the big change that is happening, and I am very aware of, and I have been f sitting in a place of feeling very apathetic of late, and I have been trying to reflect on why I feel I sense excitement, I sense change, I sense a I am having a hard time actually feeling it, actually sitting in the moment of it, in this moment knowing, we live in this now, and I wonder, that I could be over thinking it,


V: Yes

Q: with an ugly, as we move into new, as we shed ways of the past,as we shed ancestral traits that we have bought into our sense to this body, our self, bodies, as we step into what hasn't been stepped into before, whether our mind has a surreal sense to it, where it doesn't really know what to do to how to do it, so we sit in a state of flux, in between what we've shed into and what we are about to step into. Were there is a state of i don't know, cartic change or unknown change, is this a part of these changes we are happening,that we had these reactions, these states of being,that we are sitting in that are a bit confusing, to us to our mind, or you know are we ever thinking. ha ha

V: It's both, what is happening is, and we will make this very clear, for you, you can all play along with this game. Think back, to when you were a child, and you first discovered that the world not what you wanted to be, it was not quite nice enough, or kind enough or there were things that you found out that was in your human history that were monstrous to you, to your sensitive hearts, and think about the world that you have been asked for, [44:03 44:03] and the level of contrast between the perception, of the world that you were in, and the one that you have been hoping for, for 20, 30 years,more, and think about 2019, and the, then super impose the world, that you asked for for all those years, on top of the world in 2019. As if they were printed on two acetate sheets, and overlay then, these two world and see how, out of align they are, how they are drawn so completely out of alignment, the one that you have been asking for, and the one that was or is presenting itself in your reality, now, mass all of those images together, until they are the one that you have been asking for, for 20 years, 30 years, 40, years. There is going to be a period where it doesn't look like very much, it can't, because the change that we are referring to is happening so swiftly and has been requested by so many that we will not use the word chaos, but we will use the word incoherence, or at least, mish-mash, temporarily, until you are getting what you are wanting, so every crazy thing, that you see or hear or appears in your world now we would say, your best strategy, would be to celebrate it,for it is evidence, that these two sheets are overlaid upon each other, and that there is a strong force,and it is a force, squeezing the world that was, in 2019, into what is is you were always asking for, you know this within your deepest being, you know this, this is not new to you. It's your conditioning that makes you fear, It's your doubt that makes you think actually maybe everything is turning into the end of the world, and falling apart.

[Laughter}

[47:07 70:07 ]But what is really happening, is that your requests have put in flux, in action, movements that can only take your towards, what is it you have chosen, but getting from there, to there, looks a little wonky, your mind does not understand this and so it does shut down a little bit and the apathy you are feeling is not actually apathy, feel into it again, it is not negative, it is not disinterested, it is peaceful, it's just that you are not used to it, it is the child who knows he is on the way to the ice cream parlour, after having begged to go to the ice cream parlour, for three hours, he is quiet.

[Laughter]
Happily staring out the window as the trees and the house shoot by, because he knows where he is going, this is what is happening to many of you.

Q: Thank you that feels right.
V: Thank you.

Host: Any further questions people ? Karissa you can go ahead.

48:57 Q08: Karissa - You mentioned, I don't even know, the word celebration which has been a very strong word for me, past few months, and I know you have spoken on how, lets say, how powerful it can be to already like come from a place of celebration, I would just love to hear more, would you share around the idea of celebration, and for the person who is looking at what's on the media and might be confused why this could be a time of celebration. Would you share on that


V: We do not suggest, most part of you to look at all at media.

We would say that the earlier question, or what we are speaking of a moment ago, about the child on way to ice cream parlour, that is true celebration, it is not jumping up and down in the moment that mom says yes, it is the peace and the knowing that everything is well, is good, everything you want is arriving, it is the humility to know that you do not know how it is arriving to you, and is gratitude, and appreciation for the process. We would not suggest to try to convince, those who are not willing or ready to perceive of what to them feels negative, as a positive, because not all the choices are made yet, there are those who do want to believe in negativity, or polarity, or what they are calling negativity or polarity, for some more time, there are so many who want to be right so many want to be right, more than want to be happy, each has their path. So we say to you share what feels good to you about this topic, share your own experience of celebration, and then those who will feel that within them, from your sharing, will naturally adopt a similar stance, and those who will not, will not, for it is by example that one can have the greatest impact, but to try to convince anyone, that what they are seeing is not real, is only reinforcing their viewpoint, because if you believe you have to convince someone of something, it means that there is some doubt in you about your standpoint, because if they were not to believe it, it would be somehow less, when you are 100% certain in yourself of any topic, you have absolutely no need for anyone else to feel the same, and you have the ability to allow them to see and do exactly as they as they would, exactly what you want, we are so excited that you are always getting exactly what you want, we are so excited that you are getting excited, at this time, of change, that you can see the circumstances as they are unfolding, as signs towards your desired outcomes. We will remind you that there is no need for you to choose extreme catalyst to have your desired outcomes, but it is your game to play, and if that is the case, that even that is perfect.

55:14 If there is one more question ?

Host: There are no questions in this moment, does anybody have a question, quickly, who hasn't asked in particular ?

It seems to be all the questions at this time.

Salutation: Q00: V: Wonderful [55:50 55:30] Leave you next several weeks in your time, to your experiences, and the acceleration of the balls that are currently in motion, we remind you, that you are always safe, to be how you are, to feel how you feel. Remind you that your will is the will of the' all that is', the divine creator, the god, if you will use that word, We remind you that you are one, with each and every being that crosses your path that each and every being that crosses your path is infinitely significant to you, as an individuation simply by the fact they have crossed your path, and that treating when with that level of significance, importance and honor, will and is the fastest way to realize oneness. And we do wish you all the best, so much fun, love, celebration and a beautiful understanding of your position in the new world.

With the light of a thousand suns, we bid you farewell for now. Anainai.

Host: Love you, Thank you.

[58:11 58:11. session ends, Jessie chats with group for a few min]