Before the session begins, Jessie greets the people on FB, Lovely short recording on that in this audio.

[ 10:59 10:59 Session begins]
V: Good Evening, we did not leave you, we have always been with you, there was no pause in our experience of this, interaction and relation, nor could there ever be, we are excited to meet with you here tonight, in your perception in what is tonight, for there have been shifts and new developments, we are sensing you are not who you were, sensing that you have had shifts, and even to those of you who believe to not have been here with us before, those of you who believe that this is your first time, meeting us, those of you who believe that this is the first time that you are experiencing this type of communication, to know that we have never left you, we have never not been with you. The aspect of yourselves that you can witness through this form of communication, and by witness we only mean in a clearer or more what you call present example of witnessing, has always and is always available to you.

We know and feel and share in the excitement that you have to be able to ask your own or what you perceive to be your own questions this evening, we would like you to remember that your questions are never you in the same way that the answers do not belong to you, and we are excited to share in your answers, or your answering of self, in this fashion.
And so, it is with great pleasure, that we open the floor to the many and one guests of honor of this evening.

H: Thank you, Wilka I believe you have a question. I will unmute you now.
Wilka you can go ahead.

Q: Hello.
V: Hello

Q1: What is best way to guide children who are advanced souls to cultivate their spiritual gifts :) What practices are, do you consider would be the best ?

V: The first practice we would suggest would be to allow them to guide you, as having their advanced level of knowing and connection to source, although this is a mixing of words as there is no connection to source that is more advanced than another connection to source, but by advanced connection, we mean in that they are more recently directly attached to source, in an experiential level, so due to this, we would suggest allowing them to be the guides of you, the children you are speaking of, and all children, but specifically the ones you are speaking of, have come to this planet not to be guided but to guide, they are the teachers, they are the ones who have arrived with their specific gifts and skills in order to teach us how to remember that they are in essence what we truly are as well, and to give us an example of what it would be like to be tapped directly into who we are without conditioning, the best practice would be to avoid any form of conditioning, of these beings, as it is the conditioning that suppresses spiritual gifts and not the actual non development of them, for they are developed fully upon arrival, there are as well practices that one can take, if they are already at a level of spiritual understanding, in which they can accept that the child is the teacher, and not the other way around, in which they can play, with the child using their gifts, in the same way you would allow a child to spend time building a castle in a sandbox, you would allow a child with let's say, for example the potential of extra sensory perception, or telekinesis, or mind reading to play with their gifts in the same way that would play with the sand, in the sandbox, by constructing, whatever so they felt desired to construct in that moment. There is no need for any form of education, in terms of these gifts, there is no need for us, as in, us the adults, the wise ones, or the ones who seems to be wise, to instruct children in how to use their gifts in the same way that there truly is no reason to instruct a child how to speak, a child through example and instinct will learn how to speak simply by being exposed to speech, the best practicing adult can provide in proximity to a child who shows the potential and all children do show this potential of what is considered spiritual gifts, would be to develop their own level of spirituality, so that they are living as example of the highest level an version of self that one can be.

Does this answer feel satisfactory to you.
Q: yes very much, thank you.
V: Thank you.

Q02: Karissa, On our earlier call Vagrien, you said that human beings are the most advanced form of technology, what did you mean by human being technically ?
and can you explain that a little more, did you, on earth or on what kind of level.

V: When we were sharing that with you, we meant human being in the specific configuration of understanding in which you held in your mind, at that time, this would be the human being as you would take as the most common place explanation of human being. That would be your genetic makeup and what is commonly understood to be human being on your planet, at this time, basically the entire human race, this yes is the highest technology that exists.

Q: That exists on earth, or ha ha

V: yes

Q: ok.

V: That exists that you have access to, the question, in context was if there was a form of technology that would aid in the activation of a location based portal which would then in turn activate other beings into their higher or highest versions, and our response was that human beings themselves are the highest form of technology in which can activate both themselves and and other selves, that there was no specific technology that was necessary for this form of practice.

Q: Thank you.
V: Thank you.

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H: Sergei I believe you have a question ? I will unmute you now.

Q: Yes, hello
V: Hello.

Q: My question is, is it possible to contact other entities or spirits through lucid dreaming, if yes how should I call them when I am in a lucid dream.

V: All is possible, yes, it is possible to contact entities spirits, anything that you would wish to contact, it is possible to do so in lucid dreaming, it is also possible to do so in a waking state, the entities or beings, that you are wishing to contact, do not need to be called upon, they are available in the moment in which that they, themselves have desired to contact you, it is not them that needs to be seeked out, it is you who needs to tune into the frequency that they are providing if they have information for you, if they want to contact you, if they want to speak to or through you.

Lucid dreaming, is very functional way to play with the reality of the non reality of space and time, and it is a functional way, to experience how it is that you are the creator of your reality, if your desire is contact the beings in your lucid dream you can do so, and our suggestion to you would be to suggest to yourself or during your lucid dreaming state that you simply have the ability to do so, and so it will be.

Q: uh hum, Thank you.
V: Thank you.

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H: Sergei I think you had a second part to that question, do you have the answer, or do you have a second part.
Q: Yes I have the answer.
H: Yes I have it all right there.

H: Oh, Dan and Thijs, you are next, if you would like to ask your question.

Q04: Thijs: Yeah part of my question was already answered, but I would like to ask the following, the entity known as Bashar, he speaks about being, there being open contact, in our near future, and he also says that most of us, will have contact in dreams first, do you agree with that, do most of us will have have contact first in dreams, and the other part of my question was, how can we make sure this contact happens, but part of that was already answered, so this is my question.

V: Yes, we are on a roll tonight with answering many question at once, we do agree that most of the first contact that your species will receive, with other entities and beings, which you do not currently perceive to be part of your planetary construct, will be through dream state, through both sleeping and daydream state they will be provided, to in states in which you have the free will to deny, the reality of them, upon accessing a what you would call more normal state of being, this is facilitating, the possibility of you simply believing that you are crazy, and not accepting, that a contact has in fact occurred, the majority of you are already in contact with what you would in your waking state consider to be non human or non earthbound beings or communication forms, however those of you who believe that you have not have this contact, may be putting your contact experiences down to imagination this is a system that is put in place so that it is not a shock to you system when all of a sudden, during a physical or visual contact, your belief systems are shattered, you psyche may not to be able to handle, a direct contact, we will say that even the vessel struggles with this, despite a life long relationship with beings from other time space realities. She is still unable to have direct contact with a being, for fear or whatever else is blocking that at this time, the main preparation that one can take if they do desire to have a contact that is on a physical level, and not in a dreamstate, and not in a consciousness alteration, and not in a system such as this where there is a channel and entity group, if you have a desire to have the proof that aliens or entities or non physical beings, exist in your waking reality, the only suggestion we have to you would be to prepare yourself, as such, and to be extremely honest with yourself, about what your reaction would truly be if your doorbell rang right at this moment, and there was an 8ft tall blue birdman.

Intention will allow you, to have the less dramatic contacts, and the relationships you are wanting to have with these beings, within your dream state, as that relationship strengthens and becomes more habitual, to you, you will then be in direct negotiation with them, as to when your physical contact experience will occur, at some points, the collective intention may or may not as everything as usual is always your choice, as an individual and as a collective, but may arrive to a tipping point where those who do not believe that they would like a direct contact and would fear it very deeply, will still have this direct contact, and we believe that this is what this entity group this is the potential reality that this entity group is tapping into, in that, even those who do not want to have anything to do with these beings or these potentials of beings, will have contact experiences, this is not a violation of their free will, this is because their free will, is going so far in the direction from what they are wanting, that they will be forced into that experience, however not forced by their higher selves but forced upon their less awakened lower selves, into having a contact experience in other to arrive at the awakening that they are desiring with their true free will.

We are unsure if we have answered your question, or perhaps the question of someone else.

Q: No my question is answered. I would say.

V: Thank you.
Q: Thank you.

H: Ok, Karissa, I believe you have a question.

Q05:Thank you, ok my question is in dealing with fear, when to confront it, or face it or use it as guidance to choose a different focus, can you speak on that ?

V: Yes, It would depend on what you meant by both of these options, what do you mean by confront or face it ?

Q: By confront and face it I mean, while feeling afraid, still go towards what you are afraid of, and by, use the fear as guidance to choose a different focus, I mean, to make what I am afraid of mean that I should just go a different direction, and that I can avoid whatever it is I fear.

Because it's not for me.

V: Yes.
[32:30 32:30] It would depend, on when experiencing, the fear, what the answer of love was telling you, for example, we do not suggest approaching a lion, on the sevana, it is perfectly natural to have fear, in that circumstance, and love would tell you, to get back in the jeep and go away, however if fear is not of a pressing and biological nature, which most often it is not, then the love response to the fear, may be to simply love the circumstance.

Fear itself, is not an indicator of something not being for you, by default, often is it an indicator that you have a belief about something that is not for you. Including the belief that something is not for you, could be the belief that is inaccurate and causing the fear.
If in a situation, there is fear, it would depend on what the fear was of, and even if one then chose not to persue the circumstances that were triggering the fear, one could still work through the beliefs that were triggering the fear.

It is easy to want a black or white response, to have a cheat sheet, to know when I feel this it means this and my actions should be this, but this cheat sheet is being read by the mind, not by your more successful tools and tool groups, which when dealing with emotion are the emotions themselves, and so, we cannot speak in general terms, we can only continue to suggest, that if there is truly a lion about to eat you, fear is your best friend. If there is not, there many be other people your prefer to spend your time with.

Q: Thank you.
V: Thank you.

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H: Ok, Wilka I believe you have another question.

Q: Hey again,
V: Hello

Q06: So first of all thank you very much, also again for being with us, is it, are you a group collective ? or one being,

We are both, we are the one being, we are a group collective, and entity group you would call, or collection, it is not simple in your language, and state of perception, of linearity to explain, but we are one and we are you.

Q07: Ok so I have a general question and a then a personal question, starting with the general question, touching upon the topic of past lives, or parallel lives, is everything happening simultaneously, and if so are my past and future life times, as I understand it they are all happening right now, is it true ?

V: Yes

Q: And if the people talk about having you know my origin constellation, would be maybe the pleiades or sirius andromeda, is it correct that there is no real origin,

V: Yes,

Q: Ok, my question would be, if I have a parallel life, in the andromeda constellation,

V: We will if you allow talk about parallel lives, in a way that can make it more understandable for you, in the same way, that if you were to draw infinite parallel lines on a sheet of paper there would be a line down the middle and the parallel lines next to it, which eventually colored the entire sheet black, the individual parallel lines that are closest to the central parallel lines will be touching them and if that central line could perceive of others, as in this case it does, it would see the lines that we on it's left and it's right more easily, than it would see the lines in the infinite of horizon,

Q: Ok,

V: In your case, you have more access to a parallel existence that is from what you in this particular existence are calling the andromeda. That does not mean in the parallel existence, that existence is not called earth, this is a paradox, that is a conundrum, when it comes to parallel existences, for them being parallel and all slightly different, there is something always slightly off from the main timeline, or the timeline that one is currently experiencing, as there is no continuity between the two, except for the energetic continuity that you can feel because they are parallel to you, every being in this timeline, every being that you can perceive is also a parallel version of you, there are some that will feel closer to you, those that will feel that you have known in other lives perhaps, simply you have known in this life, which is the case.

And our question to you, would be, why in this timeline, in this parallel reality is it important to you to know what your origin is or in theory could be in a parallel timeline, for we are of the experience that when there is this form of question, it is not because there is a direct motive for the question other than one believing that some sort of connection is necessary for them to be who they came here to be.

And so we ask, would it be necessary for you to be your fullest version to know that you have connections to these timelines, which you do. We will confirm.

Q08: The reason more, thanks for asking the question, and raising the awareness, the reason why I asked was I was wondering if the andromedens are from a higher density so they would be non physical, and I am not sure where I want to go with this question right now.

V: That is alright, we would like to take the opportunity to remind you that, the majority of you is also likewise, non physical. Taking this into account, you may be able to draw your own conclusions about this other, beings, and also draw your own conclusions about where you would like to go with this question, and with your own experience of yourself as a being who is, we will remind you, the majority non physical.

Q:Is this applicable to a past life, the parallel life, is it the same.

V: Yes, we have explained that, past lives exist, or the term past lives exist because of the dependence on linearity, in the human mind, this dependence upon linearity is now, slowly, also by your scientific researchers, who are working so diligently upon it, dissolving within your collective, without the concept of linearity, when one would tap into a quote/unquote 'past life experience,, they would say it was a 'parallel life experience', however, because there was no concept of having memory, without it having time connected to it, it was labeled as past life [44:49 44:49 progression/regression ??] past life experiences, etc, which at the time, was accurate, in only there wasn't knowing of the parallel nature of existence, we have also explained that that is the reason why many past life experiences cannot be corroborated, with real time events, when one knows their name, there date of birth, their location, in a past life and have then gone to the census of that space and time there is often no record of the being that they remember themselves so clearly to be, this is not because that being did not exist, this is because that being, did not exist in this reality, hey have tapped into a past life, which is a parallel life, which was not on this time place existence.

Q09: Thank you very much, I have a last question.
I feel, in the last days it has been coming up, I feel a strong connection to Jesus, and so I am asking you now if it is relevant, I mean that I have had an experience, in a I am having an experience in a parallel life with Jesus, if it is relevant for me now, or in this life, to recall and remember this, and to connect with this.

[46:43 46:43]

V: We will say that you can know if it is relevant based upon how you feel when you believe it to be relevant, if you feel good, when you believe it to be relevant then it is absolutely relevant and we suggest that you follow that path, for yourself, if it does not feel good, when you believe it to be relevant then we would say, do not, however, we do not believe it would arrive in your consciousness if in part it did not feel good to you, and we know the energy of the entity you speak of, if one of deep love and so we must encourage at all times, anyone who is interested in persuing love, to do so.

[47:30 47:30]

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48:23 Jessie returns,
There was a pause ?

H: Yes there was a pause. By about 2 minutes.

Jessie: What was the last part that you guys heard ? What was the last part you heard

H: That's what I am trying to recall exactly. Somebody else remember the last statement ?

Karissa: Yeah he just asked about Jesus and relevance, Vagrein had said, its relevant if it feels good.

Jessie: Ok cool. Alright lets just see if they come back. 48:52 ]

V: [49:46 49:46 Yes we are back.
We are unaware of how much of the response that you heard, but it was confirmed that the most important part was heard.

We will just

Q: [noise]

V: Please

Q: Then I will be, I will know when it's relevant whenever it feels good in that moment. To know it.

V: Yes, the simple answer would be, to follow your heart, if it feels relevant for you to have connection, with this entity, then by all means do so, it is not.

Q10: How would you recommend to connect with this parallel life ?

V: Emulate it, in your current life,

Q: Emulate ?

V: Emulate the energy that you feel in the life that you are currently living.

Q: Means visualising or emulating, I don't know this word.

V: It would mean to imitate the behaviors that come from the energies that you are sensing into.

Q: Perfect. Ok, Thank you very much.

Host: James I believe you have a question ? [51:42 51:42]

Q11: Yeah thank you, Gratitude for you all sharing, I am just returning to the free will, and I am hoping I word this right, it's the balance between, what I am wanting to know, the balance between, our physical body and the wisdom of our body, our higher consciousness, and still we understand ourselves to be, how we have chosen ourselves to be, in the role we play as [52:19 52:19 and lightworkers], and the will between that, with free will and the personal experience, so it sounds that I have exhausted boundaries or barriers that I am aware of, and unable to shift past, that when certain events, happen, then it is like they are unlocked and I feel like, even though there was free will, then there almost is a predetermined limitation, to what we are able to achieve, through awarenesses we wake up and the balance and the work I do as a healer, recognizing that no one here, recognizing that no one heals either, only through those service conduits, for awareness, in that it is that limitation, in free will, is that a process or or is it just a part of myself blocking myself ?

V: It is you learning what you are wanting to learn, you outlined that there is a duality between your, body and higher wisdom, and the free will of others, other selves, and yes this is a paradox, but it is not, a duality in the way that you have outlined it, while you are the creator of you reality and the creator of all those who appear within your reality, you are also the creator of them having their own higherselves, and their own wisdom, you are the creator of the illusion of free will, both yourselves and theirs, you are accurate that a healer does not heal, a healer is a conduit towards ones own healing, however you have chosen this role, in order to teach this message to other selves, through your service in providing them that outlet, to learn about healing themselves. We will remind you as well that there is nothing to be healed, and both you and the other self, have co-created the illusion, of something to be healed in order to play the game of being healer and healee, there is no block or limitation, to the game that you are playing, you are playing the game perfectly well and you are not blocked at all from the game that you are choosing to play.
But you are blocked from perhaps, is the word that you used, achieving something and the reason why you are blocked from achieving something, is because there is nothing to achieve. The reason you came here, was to play, not to finish the game, and so the achievements cannot be had because if they were to be had, there would be nothing to do, and that is not what you came here for.

The beings that seem to not want to have their free will violated, and do not take your gifts, and apply them and do not have the results that you know you have the potential of having, are not not having those results, because of their results because of their free will, they are not having those results because they are playing the game with you and that is their free will, that is the choice that they are making. These are your waltzing partners. There is a way to end the game, to step out of it completely, but it is not sensible as it is not what you came here for, you did not waste all of this energy, to come to becoming human and then to realize that you are the creator of your reality to such a level, that you no longer want to play this game. We are here to facilitate in the same way that you are here for facilitate, the level of the game that you are currently wanting to play. When you do wake up out of reality, which we remind you you already have, because you are all parallel versions, there is nothing there.

On another level we would also remind you that each being has their own higher self who has their best interests in mind, and if the work of a healer is not successful it is because the best interests of that being are not to be healed, they are in the process of learning, something that is requiring their distortion or ailment.

Was there another part to this question ?

Q12: There is, more into that healing side, that I have a sense as the conduit for the change it is a quantum space where there is an allowance for the highest consciousness of the [??59:22 59:22] for the person where you are dealing with the work, through my higher consciousness and my self, has me removed kind of in that way, and it's just a [first clarification, verification really... ?] it is that in the healing work, is that we are reaching into a quantum space where they are in a different state of being, and presenting that to them is a choice that they can make in that moment.

V: Yes, that is the case, that is how art works, that is how healing works, that is how music works, that is how channeling works, that is the case for you.

This is as we said earlier, this is the reason why we remind you that you are more, non physical beings than you are physical, the moment that you let go of believing that you are mostly physical beings, which you are not, you have access to that state where you can play on a whole other level, there are, so many interesting, [1:00:25 1:00:25] also on a relational level, games that are about to open up to you, and so our response to our question about the children with the psychic abilities, or the new level abilities, is to start playing in the sandbox, also as an adult, or what you call an adult, to play in the sandbox of these potentials which you all have access to, with your healing, with creative endeavors, with telepathy, with eye contact, with many many many many different tools that you are already aware are in your toolbelt. It is a very exciting and beautiful time for you, we do not see any problems, we see only the fun that is to be had as you discover this.

It is like the beginning of adolescence, the day before your sexuality was not online and the day after all of a sudden you have a completely different range of emotions and sensations, and feelings and experiences in your bodies, except today is the day before your spiritual puberty, and tomorrow you will have all these new sensations and emotions and experiences in your non physical bodies, and many of you are already having these experiences.

Q: Thank you.
V: Thank you.

We will take one more question if there is one question if there is.

Host: Ok Thyss and Dan if you have a question still. It's your turn.

Q13: Thyss: Yeah so from reading the Law of One books, Ra explains that most of humanity, is moving from 3rd Density to 4th Density, and this is there next lesson, but it also speaks about there being a lot of wanderers, which are those of us who come from higher densities, and basically incarnate here to help humanity. What can you say about where do these wanderers go after this lifetime, would they go back to their density that they came from, and have lives there, or would they probably have multiple incarnations on the planet earth, to complete this whole transition from third to fourth density.

V: The element of your question that talks about 'after this incarnation', implies linear time, beings you are talking of, do not come from a space where time is experienced linearly, they were aware of this, are aware of this, during this incarnation as well, as we explained earlier with the andromeda and the parallel timelines, the parallel existances, it is not significant that one has come from a density that does not have linear time, and is then experiencing a density that does, for while they are in the density that does, experience the linear time, the rules or perceived rules or the illusionary rules of the line time experience do apply to them, so in that experience, yes they could have the idea of what to do afterwards, however the moment of the experience of afterward is completed in the linear functioning of that thought process or thought experience, or life, they would then be returned, as you are all to a state of, non linear time, and so the process could continue, again and again and again and during the incarnation, in which one who is identifying as a wanderer, because that is the parallel timeline, that they see most closely, next to them, while they are in this timeline, the only time that exists, as in all other timelines, is the now, and so in this now, if they are not in a non linear timeline, they are in theory stuck in a linear one, for the now, because now is all that there is.

We are aware of the concepts of ascension, and the collective and the collective growth of your beings and peoples and planet itself, however we are not, from a linear timeline, and so cannot speak to this in this way, with any form of confirmation or non confirmation, because from where we are this reality exists as equally as every other reality, there is a timeline in which you are all cockroaches.

And that has as much value and beauty and wonder, for us as this one does. We are communicating with you in this one because of your choice through your consciousness to communicate with us in this way, however we exist in all timelines, as do you, for there is no separation. It is beautiful to have a cosmology, it is beautiful to have a system that makes sense and is comprehensible to you, it is wonderful to have some sort of story, that one can reference to make understandings of the world, we will not diminish any system, any story or any reality for yes, it is a reality, however we will say that there is no singular truth, in all of existence, and in your specific existence, in your personal individuated existence, the only truth is the one that you decide to believe is true.

As we said with the being who is identifying with Jesus as an entity, we would say that the best way to discern whether or not something is your truth is to feel into how it feels for you when you adopt it as such. If it feels good to you, to imagine yourself to be a wanderer who has come here, to aid an ascension to then return a space where there is a new choice and a new mission, to be taken, then we would say that that is an honorable truth to hold and we are all so grateful for that choice.

It has been refreshing to talk with you again in this way, we are hoping to meet with your regularly, again for a season. we are hoping that your questions for today were answered, we apologize that we were not more humorous and we love you always. Anainai.

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